Facebook bans UK far right groups
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andy_s said:
Catat10 said:
andy_s said:
Far left is ok then...?
Can you provide an example of a far-left social media page/group that spreads hate, attacks or calls for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are?The division of people into convenient groups of hatred despite the variety within those groups is something we recognise and don’t tolerate when it comes to sex or race; however we’re a bit slow with all the other forms of ‘generalised discrimination’ used to promote a certain message using hatred as the vector... I’d perhaps go so far as to venture that moderate conservatism has far less hate-filled rhetoric than even a moderate left, that is their central tenet after all - to be oppressed you need an oppressor. [< ATG from your point about equality]
Edited by andy_s on Thursday 18th April 15:40
El stovey said:
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?
Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
Probably because they're already united within an entity such as their university or Labour Party and more able to integrate and garner wider 'moderate' support compared to right wing groups who were created by angry disenfranchised young men who saw what they deemed issues in their local areas.Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
'The system' seems to be left's target although I can't remember a time before their main issue was the government. It makes you wonder whether they would have been so content with the EU under Labour.
Catat10 said:
Once again, provide an example of a far-left media page or group that promotes hate, attacks or exclusion which deserves to be banned from social media. Post a link to one of these weekly articles that "happily stoke hate" in the Communist Times, how does it compare to what Britain First and EDL publish?
Stoking division is damaging in any form. I've not read literature from either side, but I'm guessing neither explicitly states that you should go out and attack another group, whether that be based on their class or race.Although Extinction Rebellion seem to be intentionally disrupting people going to work in the City. Should the right be able to obstruct people on their way to worship?
jfire said:
El stovey said:
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?
Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
Probably because they're already united within an entity such as their university or Labour Party and more able to integrate and garner wider 'moderate' support compared to right wing groups who were created by angry disenfranchised young men who saw what they deemed issues in their local areas.Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
'The system' seems to be left's target although I can't remember a time before their main issue was the government. It makes you wonder whether they would have been so content with the EU under Labour.
El stovey said:
But isn’t that the point? They’re not represented by wider moderate groups because they’re not moderates, they’re hate filled racists and they’re only represented by hate groups?
Brexiteers are a massive group of racists according to the other 48%And I don't think hatred of the wealthy is moderate just because they're not an ethnic group.
It's all relative.
jfire said:
El stovey said:
But isn’t that the point? They’re not represented by wider moderate groups because they’re not moderates, they’re hate filled racists and they’re only represented by hate groups?
Brexiteers are a massive group of racists according to the other 48%And I don't think hatred of the wealthy is moderate just because they're not an ethnic group.
It's all relative.
That’s the point it’s the far right wing groups that are preaching the hate most and causing the most harm.
Ziplobb said:
Have I missed something ? Why did the announcement not cover far left groups groups hope not hate for example ??
Hope Not Hate is not far left. They campaign against extreme religious organisations as well as fascism. They have been accused of being Islamophobic in the past.andy_s said:
Far left is ok then...?
When you look at the reasoning behind it, its quite obvious that they haven't been banned because that are "far right". Rather because they are a bunch of unpleasant 
s who are inciting people to break the law and to hate other people. This is all fair enough as far as I can see as long as they apply their policy across the board; they say that they have banned expressions of support for these groups and for certain individuals - one would hope that also applies to the left of politics so expressing support for left leaning mass-murderers like Stalin will equally result in a FB ban.The leader of HM opposition has expressed support for his "friends" in the IRA. I will expect his ban imminently.
Rivenink said:
Have there been any incidents where someone subscribing to far-left ideology has embarked on mass-murder?
I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
There was some chap called Stalin a few decades back who easily out mass-murdered that Hitler bloke in the mass-murdering stakes. One presumes that expressing admiration of him will lead to a ban as it would were someone to express an admiration of Hitler?I'm genuinely ignorant on whether they have as all of the incidents I'm aware of have been attributed to the far-right.
biggbn said:
amusingduck said:
Abbott.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/27/diane-...
I don't think it's about Abbott specifically, more the general climate of it being not particularly unacceptable to say.
Context was it was a debate about who was the worst dictator, on balance, mao was less evil than Hitler? Discusshttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/27/diane-...
I don't think it's about Abbott specifically, more the general climate of it being not particularly unacceptable to say.
king Tumps? What a shower of aholes. AJL308 said:
Nor is Hitler but the FB policy says you will get banned if you say you admire him. Stalin killed far more.
Stalin didn't he didn't hate the people he was responsible for killing. They were just in the way of the goals he was seeking to achieve. Stalin was evil but it was pragmatism not hate that drove him.Edited by plasticpig on Thursday 18th April 17:21
AJL308 said:
There was some chap called Stalin a few decades back who easily out mass-murdered that Hitler bloke in the mass-murdering stakes. One presumes that expressing admiration of him will lead to a ban as it would were someone to express an admiration of Hitler?
I would suggest that when activists express admiration of Stalin, Mao etc its more for the communist ideology and they conveniently forget the mass slaughter. When far-right activists admire Hitler, they admire him for his fascist policy of white supremecy and celebrate his genocide of jews, gays, gypsy's and communists. Some then seek to emulate.
amusingduck said:
Rivenink said:
Gilhooligan said:
Catat10 said:
andy_s said:
Far left is ok then...?
Can you provide an example of a far-left social media page/group that spreads hate, attacks or calls for the exclusion of others on the basis of who they are?The tolerant must not be tolerant of the intolerant.
It's a necessary paradox.
I don't think hiding the nastiness is going to work.
By curtailing frivolous and "fighting" words, the Party seeks to narrow the range of thought altogether, such that eventually, thoughtcrime will be literally impossible.
It's like that's the goal, if you hide it well enough people won't be able to form those viewpoints. Except of course they can, because you can't stop people from talking to each other. It should be out in the open and challenged, not hidden away.
I've always had a big issue with banning people from saying things, even things which are obviously extremely offensive and unpleasant and even things which demonstrate a hatred of something or someone or some group. Banning people from putting their point across doesn't work because it becomes more difficult to challenge them. You end up with like minded people who only talk among themselves which just ends up in a load of mutual reinforcement of those ideas. It also makes it more difficult to keep a check on people people less is publicised so you don't know to challenge it.
The main danger, I feel though, is that by banning them you give them some "special" status that attracts even bigger and more dangerous weirdos than were already associated with them. The conspiraloons will put about the theory that these groups are "right" in what they say so have been banned by the establishment in order to shut them up. The "oxygen of publicity" is what people seek to deny them but miss the fact that pure oxygen will kill you eventually. Letting a tiny number of intolerant bigots spew their crap in the open will just result in the normal people laughing at them, hopefully whist pointing out the fool to all the passers by, who will also laugh. They will overdose on publicity oxygen.
El stovey said:
Facebook and instagram have banned British National Party, Britain First, the English Defence League, Knights Templar International and the National Front and British National Party leader Nick Griffin, and Paul Golding and Jayda Fransen of Britain First.
Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
Again, I give you the Labour party. Even its leader is on video trying to attack a female journalist for absolutely no reason at all. Other than he has anger management problems, that is.Facebook say they’ve banned, “those who proclaim a violent or hateful mission or are engaged in acts of hate or violence."
They happen to all be right wing hate groups.
Why are people banging on about momentum and antifa? Those aren’t left wing hate groups. Do you think it’s unfair or something? Or are you just struggling to find equivalent UK far left hate groups that Facebook should be banning?
El stovey said:
jfire said:
Funny people the hate filled Lefties.
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
AJL308 said:
El stovey said:
jfire said:
Funny people the hate filled Lefties.
Odd that they haven’t actually formed hate groups though?Are the far right being penalised for being better organised or something?
Their club, their rules. Don’t blame them for wanting to rid the place of such groups.
Interesting time to announce this though, perhaps they were hoping it would take the attention away from yet another privacy breach.
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-uploaded-...
Interesting time to announce this though, perhaps they were hoping it would take the attention away from yet another privacy breach.
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-uploaded-...
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