Senior Politician caught drinking on train

Senior Politician caught drinking on train

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AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Ratski83 said:
These cocktails in a can are the middle class version of strong cider.

Only proper alcoholics consume them.
Exactly!

I'll be totally honest and can say without any fear what what-so-ever that I absolutely fking LOVE alcohol. It's bloody brilliant. Drinking in the circumstances that she was though is massively, hugely and ridiculously chavvy and is something that I would never ever be seen dead doing. I have nothing against drinking during the day but there is a huge difference between a pint in the pub at lunch time (which is a social activity, even if you are there on your own) and swilling cheap booze on the train.

As much as I love a drink, if I ever got the the stage of drinking in those circumstances I think i'd be going looking for help.

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Johnnytheboy said:
The more I think about this the weirder it seems.

Setting aside moral or legal considerations, does she not have any idea that as a public figure, you do something like this, you're going to get your picture taken?

Her/Labour's "team" must have their heads in their hands.
I honestly don't think so because the Labour Party just seem so out of touch and so uncaring about how they present themselves that any adviser who actually cared about anything probably fked off years ago.

I didn't think they could stoop much lower than Steptoe in his trackies looking like a wino but apparently they just have. An utter shower of fking ste and people who are going to make us look to the rest of the world like one massive 1970's Council Estate moored just off the coast of Europe if they ever win power.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
Bill said:
petemurphy said:
people get caught randomly all the time for things. the law is the law whether you're white black pink or purple. you get caught you get prosecuted
Do you? I bet in the vast majority of cases it gets taken off you with some words of advice.
I befit does but I also bet that the vast majority of people get a fixed penalty notice as well!
Nope. They only issue a fixed penalty or prosecute if the person continues to drink after being warned.

hutchst

3,696 posts

95 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Don't you just hate it when you can't find a brown paper bag anywhere when you really need one?

Henners

12,230 posts

193 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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hutchst said:
Don't you just hate it when you can't find a brown paper bag anywhere when you really need one?
Steady on, she’ll call you racist for that wink

bitchstewie

50,799 posts

209 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.

Henners

12,230 posts

193 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Don’t see why not, which dippy politician has been caught breaking the law today?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Exactly. A load of fuss over nothing.

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
How about MP Kate Osamor still employing her drug dealer son as her chief of staff, even though she lied about knowing of his case.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6941579/L...

smile


Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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In the grand scheme of things it's hardy a big deal. It's a million miles away from a bunch of louts being drunk and disorderly and directly upsetting and endangering people, which is what the ban has been put in place to prevent.

However, plenty of over the top laws have been put in place to stop extremes of behaviour which should be self policing. A case in point relevant to drivers on here is excessively low and heavily enforced speed limits put in place because of a few people driving far outside the original law causing danger and behaving antisocially.

A wide, straight bypass road local to me has had its speed limit reduced from 60mph to 40mph because of a few incidents of people knocking cyclists of their bicycles at a roundabout, something not directly linked to the speed limit in the first place. A few days after the reduction the speed check van was straight out there in a layby built especially for it and the police described someone they caught doing 60mph, legal a few days before, as thinking he was a racing driver.

People are blowing it out of proportion, not because they think it's a terrible thing to do in itself, but because what Diane Abbott and her far left government and supporters stand for in terms of wanting restrictions on everyone else.

The Guardian is pretty much supporting her and apparently drinking alcohol on a train is freedom of choice, regardless of the law.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/d...

Meanwhile speeding is a great sin, how fast you drive isn't freedom of choice.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar...


Pastor Of Muppets

3,250 posts

61 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
I didn't think they could stoop much lower than Steptoe in his trackies looking like a wino but apparently they just have. An utter shower of fking ste and people who are going to make us look to the rest of the world like one massive 1970's Council Estate moored just off the coast of Europe if they ever win power.
That made my day biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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DoubleD said:
bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Exactly. A load of fuss over nothing.
You think that a senior Parliamentarian, someone who wants to be Home Secretary the person in charge of HMG law and order policy and the safety of everyone in the UK, is seen drinking under these circumstances and its a "fuss over nothing"? That is your genuinely and honestly held view?

If we leave aside the law breaking angle for a minute, we'll assume it's perfectly legal to do, this is still unacceptable by any reasonable measure and might be an indicator of significant underlying issues. Drinking alone on public transport in the middle of the day is not something that sensible, well adjusted adults do. The fact that a senior MP, or any MP for that matter, is seen doing it is shocking, quite honestly.

We'll give her the benefit of the doubt and agree that she doesn't have any problems at all and that the breaking the law thing is so trivial it makes no difference. Sitting on a train, looking like a scruff and swigging cheap alcohol like a common tramp though demonstrates epic bad judgement because it would have been blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is unbecoming of someone holding the office she holds and that it would generate the backlash it has. Anyone who is so devoid of any lack of judgement, as she clearly is, is utterly unfit to hold high government office.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
DoubleD said:
bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Exactly. A load of fuss over nothing.
You think that a senior Parliamentarian, someone who wants to be Home Secretary the person in charge of HMG law and order policy and the safety of everyone in the UK, is seen drinking under these circumstances and its a "fuss over nothing"? That is your genuinely and honestly held view?

If we leave aside the law breaking angle for a minute, we'll assume it's perfectly legal to do, this is still unacceptable by any reasonable measure and might be an indicator of significant underlying issues. Drinking alone on public transport in the middle of the day is not something that sensible, well adjusted adults do. The fact that a senior MP, or any MP for that matter, is seen doing it is shocking, quite honestly.

We'll give her the benefit of the doubt and agree that she doesn't have any problems at all and that the breaking the law thing is so trivial it makes no difference. Sitting on a train, looking like a scruff and swigging cheap alcohol like a common tramp though demonstrates epic bad judgement because it would have been blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is unbecoming of someone holding the office she holds and that it would generate the backlash it has. Anyone who is so devoid of any lack of judgement, as she clearly is, is utterly unfit to hold high government office.
Yep its a load of fuss over nothing

Pastor Of Muppets

3,250 posts

61 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
You think that a senior Parliamentarian, someone who wants to be Home Secretary the person in charge of HMG law and order policy and the safety of everyone in the UK, is seen drinking under these circumstances and its a "fuss over nothing"? That is your genuinely and honestly held view?

If we leave aside the law breaking angle for a minute, we'll assume it's perfectly legal to do, this is still unacceptable by any reasonable measure and might be an indicator of significant underlying issues. Drinking alone on public transport in the middle of the day is not something that sensible, well adjusted adults do. The fact that a senior MP, or any MP for that matter, is seen doing it is shocking, quite honestly.

We'll give her the benefit of the doubt and agree that she doesn't have any problems at all and that the breaking the law thing is so trivial it makes no difference. Sitting on a train, looking like a scruff and swigging cheap alcohol like a common tramp though demonstrates epic bad judgement because it would have been blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is unbecoming of someone holding the office she holds and that it would generate the backlash it has. Anyone who is so devoid of any lack of judgement, as she clearly is, is utterly unfit to hold high government office.
I have to agree with that. The other thing I would like to add is if she needs to drink alcohol in this situation what's the chances
that she has a drink problem?, going by the way she conducts herself in interviews I would presume its rather obvious.

Regardless of what you think of them... could you imagine Jacob Rees Mogg or Theresa May in a similar position!.

limpsfield

5,871 posts

252 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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You absolute fruit loops!

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
Regardless of what you think of them... could you imagine Jacob Rees Mogg or Theresa May in a similar position!.
Yeah you’re right, I just can’t imagine Jacob rees mogg being in the same situation.

I can’t imagine him being on a train with the public hehe

AJL308

6,390 posts

155 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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DoubleD said:
AJL308 said:
DoubleD said:
bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Exactly. A load of fuss over nothing.
You think that a senior Parliamentarian, someone who wants to be Home Secretary the person in charge of HMG law and order policy and the safety of everyone in the UK, is seen drinking under these circumstances and its a "fuss over nothing"? That is your genuinely and honestly held view?

If we leave aside the law breaking angle for a minute, we'll assume it's perfectly legal to do, this is still unacceptable by any reasonable measure and might be an indicator of significant underlying issues. Drinking alone on public transport in the middle of the day is not something that sensible, well adjusted adults do. The fact that a senior MP, or any MP for that matter, is seen doing it is shocking, quite honestly.

We'll give her the benefit of the doubt and agree that she doesn't have any problems at all and that the breaking the law thing is so trivial it makes no difference. Sitting on a train, looking like a scruff and swigging cheap alcohol like a common tramp though demonstrates epic bad judgement because it would have been blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is unbecoming of someone holding the office she holds and that it would generate the backlash it has. Anyone who is so devoid of any lack of judgement, as she clearly is, is utterly unfit to hold high government office.
Yep its a load of fuss over nothing
Then I would suggest that you need to reassess what you consider to be appropriate and dignified conduct in public for an adult in the UK today - let alone a senior member of Parliament.

Nickgnome

8,277 posts

88 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
Then I would suggest that you need to reassess what you consider to be appropriate and dignified conduct in public for an adult in the UK today - let alone a senior member of Parliament.
Get a life.

Frank7

6,619 posts

86 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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EddieSteadyGo said:
I'm no fan of Abbott, but this is a minor misdemeanor at worst. Trying to blow it out of proportion is just self serving.

Far better to hold Abbott to account on policy - god knows, that is rich pickings enough.
I think that I can follow your reasoning Eddie, and on the face of it, it is a minor misdemeanour, BUT, she aspires to be Home Secretary, in charge of making the laws for this country.
As a London MP, (Hackney), who has worked in the past with London Mayors, she certainly SHOULD have been aware that she was transgressing the law by drinking alcohol on a TFL train, it would appear that in the best case scenario, she was a tad blasé about that law.
Aware that what she was doing was illegal, but carrying on anyway, is tantamount to smoking in an express train toilet, you know it’s illegal, but so what?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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AJL308 said:
DoubleD said:
AJL308 said:
DoubleD said:
bhstewie said:
Can we have another day of outrage and indignation over something utterly utterly trivial please?

Honestly, there's no irony at all.
Exactly. A load of fuss over nothing.
You think that a senior Parliamentarian, someone who wants to be Home Secretary the person in charge of HMG law and order policy and the safety of everyone in the UK, is seen drinking under these circumstances and its a "fuss over nothing"? That is your genuinely and honestly held view?

If we leave aside the law breaking angle for a minute, we'll assume it's perfectly legal to do, this is still unacceptable by any reasonable measure and might be an indicator of significant underlying issues. Drinking alone on public transport in the middle of the day is not something that sensible, well adjusted adults do. The fact that a senior MP, or any MP for that matter, is seen doing it is shocking, quite honestly.

We'll give her the benefit of the doubt and agree that she doesn't have any problems at all and that the breaking the law thing is so trivial it makes no difference. Sitting on a train, looking like a scruff and swigging cheap alcohol like a common tramp though demonstrates epic bad judgement because it would have been blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that it is unbecoming of someone holding the office she holds and that it would generate the backlash it has. Anyone who is so devoid of any lack of judgement, as she clearly is, is utterly unfit to hold high government office.
Yep its a load of fuss over nothing
Then I would suggest that you need to reassess what you consider to be appropriate and dignified conduct in public for an adult in the UK today - let alone a senior member of Parliament.
Maybe im just not as nosey or judgemental as some others.