Half of England owned by less than 1 per cent of population

Half of England owned by less than 1 per cent of population

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anonymous-user

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54 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/half-england-owned-less-...

''Less than one percent of the population — including aristocrats, royals and wealthy investors — owns about half the land, according to Who Owns England, a book that is to be published in May.''

''Britain’s net worth more than tripled between 1995 and 2017, driven primarily by the value of land, which rose much faster than other kinds of assets.''

poverty gap wider, is there really a fairness to wealth distribution?

Puggit

48,439 posts

248 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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30 land owners own half of West Berkshire: https://whoownsengland.org/2017/04/17/the-thirty-l...

Includes an interactive map too. Very interesting if you live in the area.

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Half by area or by value?

anonymous-user

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54 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Dixy said:
Half by area or by value?
area

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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In view of the fact that there are enormous tracts of moors and forests that's hardly a great surprise then.

Eric Mc

121,992 posts

265 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Only 50%. They're losing their grip.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

184 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Local authorities, Ministry of Defence, National Trust & English Heritage and DEFRA are included in that 1%, so it's not all "private" ownership.


Oilchange

8,460 posts

260 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Really, who gives a st.
Maybe poor people should all dip in and buy a plot, just to er redistribute wealth.
Maybe they have other things to be getting on with...

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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S11Steve said:
Local authorities, Ministry of Defence, National Trust & English Heritage and DEFRA are included in that 1%, so it's not all "private" ownership.
The local authorities, at least, can flog it off for development. They are competing in the market.

Wiccan of Darkness

1,839 posts

83 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Read a bit further in to that article, the guy writing the book is a true red commie and thinks all the UK's land should be divvied up fairly to huge swathes of knuckle-draggers who wouldn't have the first idea what to do with it. Land has to be managed, and managed well.

The largest landowners in the UK are the forestry commission, National Trust, MOD, pension funds, utilities and transport, Crown Estates and the RSPB - almost 6 million acres in total.

Naturally, bodies such as the forestry commission, National Trust and RSPB are just greedy landowners who have no purpose other than the wholescale rape and pillaging of our natural landscape and stripping those bodies of the assets and allowing socialists to argue about its management can only be for the greater good......


PositronicRay

27,010 posts

183 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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What about publicly owned land? For instance the forestry commission manages 1.7 million acres. Devide it up and give a little piece to everyone?

voyds9

8,488 posts

283 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Thesprucegoose said:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/half-england-owned-less-...

''Less than one percent of the population — including aristocrats, royals and wealthy investors — owns about half the land, according to Who Owns England, a book that is to be published in May.''

''Britain’s net worth more than tripled between 1995 and 2017, driven primarily by the value of land, which rose much faster than other kinds of assets.''

poverty gap wider, is there really a fairness to wealth distribution?
Should there be a fairness to wealth distribution?

There will always be a top 1% but is it always the same 1% or do fortunes wax and wane. I'm sure JK Rowling was living on benefits before become a multimillionaire.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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It is interesting research imo. The ‘what should be done’ part will be very socialist in this case.

A modern revisit of the last definitive study by Cahill back in 2006. A lot more data available now.

The redistribution piece is bonkers, but I do think there is some merit in considering whether someone who owns 20,000 acres because his ancestor knew billy the conkerer should be able to hold it, run a business on it without it being liable to business rates (eg shoots), receive state aid for tending it and then pass it on to descendants tax free.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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we are constantly told we are equal, we all have a chance to succeed, but it's clear it weighted in favour of about 25k over 56 million in this case.
i think it should open up debate to whatever ends,

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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voyds9 said:
There will always be a top 1% but is it always the same 1% or do fortunes wax and wane. I'm sure JK Rowling was living on benefits before become a multimillionaire.
JK Rowlings are uncommon anywhere.

Social mobility varies by country. The US is pretty good - most people born poor don't stay there. In some bits of the Old World - I think Florence was the counter example I read - the same three families have held all the wealth for five hundred years. UK is in the middle I think.

bloomen

6,892 posts

159 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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I would guess that's probably a better stat than most of the world. Personally I couldn't give a toss and it's in line with wealth in general.

I'm all for greater opportunity but I've also known many, many people who were doomed to financial oblivion entirely because of their own mind set.

As for redistribution I think it's valid where the system is feudal and failing like many a place in Scotland. If it's ticking along just fine and non controversially then no.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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Oilchange said:
Really, who gives a st.
Maybe poor people should all dip in and buy a plot, just to er redistribute wealth.
Maybe they have other things to be getting on with...
This.


Roofless Toothless

5,662 posts

132 months

Saturday 20th April 2019
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I own my little bit. I can't say I care very much who owns the rest, or how it affects me in any way. I'm very happy with what I've got.

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

83 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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look over there!...Jeremy corbyn

Ridgemont

6,564 posts

131 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Dixy said:
In view of the fact that there are enormous tracts of moors and forests that's hardly a great surprise then.
Quite.

Let’s take back control of Dartmoor!
Well it’s in national hands but fair enough. What do you plan to do with it?
Build houses!
On Dartmoor?

Let’s take back control of The New Forest!
Well it’s in national hands but fair enough. What do you plan to do with it?
Build houses!
Well you could. Not sure chopping down all the trees is a good look.

Let’s take back control of the Sutherland Estate! It’s tens of 1000s of square kilometres.
fair enough. What do you plan to do with it?
Build houses!
On the northern coast of Scotland?

Ad nauseum.

Edited by Ridgemont on Sunday 21st April 01:31