Huawei row: UK to let Chinese firm help build 5G network

[FourWheelDrift]

Huawei have lied a few times with regards to their mobile phones, taking photos with high end cameras claiming they were taken by the phone, fixing benchmarks to make them look better and a moon mode on their new P30 that doesn't actually take your photo of the moon.

Of course they can be trusted. Those lovable communist Chinese.


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[Fittster]

Do Cisco have to jump through the same hoops?

[egomeister]

Coolbanana said:

A lot of this tech is made in China anyway - before the Huawei connection.

For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.

Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.

So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.

Foxconn are Taiwanese, but I'm sure Emperor Xi won't mind the mix up.

[tangerine_sedge]

caelite said:

tangerine_sedge said:

I look forward to paying more tax so that we pay BAe/whoever more money to build a competing technology which is stter and more expensive.

But when you tender to a British company you are reinvesting taxpayer money into the British economy, and creating jobs here. Allowing tender to overseas companies, whilst may well be cheaper, sends that economic boon with it. It's short term attitudes like this which are the reason pay (outside of the financial sector) is stagnating and British graduates with pertinent agrees move overseas in their droves.

When you tender to a British company, what you do is give their shareholders a nice bump, and in return you get something not fit for purpose which requires more money to get it to work.

As another poster stated, this is a generational thing, and the boat on telecoms has already sailed. The IP has already been divvied up amongst the main players, and there is no room in the market for another player.

Also see the British defence, motor and aerospace companies for the same story.

[jammy-git]

egomeister said:

Coolbanana said:

A lot of this tech is made in China anyway - before the Huawei connection.

For example: Apple mobiles, that staple of American mobile tech, is made by Chinese company Foxconn, the largest such electronics Contractor in the World and maker of over 40% of the World's electronics alone - your Playstation's and XBox's included. Foxconn actively allow Apple design tech etc to 'leak' to the other mobile Brands it puts together; my wife was a senior Director with a rival Brand, she saw it. Doesn't trust them at all.

Apple, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Blackberry, Cisco, Huawei, Sony, Sharp, Dell, Google, Microsoft, Intel to name but some...all in bed with Chinese Foxconn.

So the current hoo haa over Huawei is kinda meaningless unless Europe and the USA stop getting their electronics supplied by Chinese companies generally.

Foxconn are Taiwanese, but I'm sure Emperor Xi won't mind the mix up.

And I believe iPhone manufacturing is being moved to India now?

[Alucidnation]

Openreach have been making noises about not using their products anymore.

Mind you, once they have signed over to Deutsche Telekom, it wont matter.

[Big GT]

At a time when we will remove ourselves from the EU I don't think Mrs May wants to upset the Chinese

Anyway Huawei tech in imbedded heavily and has been for many years within the BT and telecoms infrastructure. Its already in, and who is going to pay to rip it out and replacing it with more Chinese kit.

[wong]

Didn't Obama spy on Angela Merkel and all his other European "Chums".

Lets face it. You're going to be spied on, whoever supplies the hardware. May as well be spied on by the cheapest and most advanced. Just that America doesn't like it that it could be someone else doing the spying for a change.

[lemmingjames]

andy_s said:

I think the main point of this story should be to ask the question why have our politicians not been keeping Britain up with the Joneses in terms of technology so that we end up putting ourselves in these sorts of situations in the first place.

For the OP question, imagine we're at war with China but just don't know it yet. From a risk management point of view I'd prefer string and tin cans to having Huawei embedded within out technological backbone.

We are though in 5G, the Government has meant to have pumped lots of money into the development of it and as a result, meant to be one of the market leaders in tech.

However, i dont think people realise the costs of setting up the infrastructure for the 5G network. I cant remember if the tender was for South Cali or a single/couple of cities in the USA, but the end cost came to a st loads of money, think it was coming on to $1bill for a small area.

Then alot of the big telecommunication companies have their own servers to modular data centres for the 5G network (have a look at Nokia) so it wont just be Huawei doing it all.

On the subject of Hua and Australia, didnt Oz NHS a few years ago prove that Hua was sending back patient details to China? What did happen to the president(?) of Hua as she was arrested in Canada

[jfire]

Gotta say some comic irony there with this leak.

Prime suspect? Maybe someone can edit the list of attendees to include the odds:

Theresa May, prime minister
David Lidington, Cabinet Office minister
Philip Hammond, chancellor
Greg Clark, business secretary
Jeremy Wright, culture secretary
Jeremy Hunt, foreign secretary
Mr. Wong
Sajid Javid, home secretary
Penny Mordaunt, international development secretary
Liam Fox, trade secretary
Gavin Williamson, defence secretary
Sir Mark Sedwill, national security adviser (NSA)
Madeleine Alessandri, deputy NSA
Christian Turner, deputy NSA
The heads of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ

[surveyor]

There are only a couple of vendors in this market. Ericsson is one (swedish) and Nokia (finish).

Trump wants the US to lead, but in the equipment design and manufacture they are nowhere.

There is as yet no key benefit to 5G - it will happen, but not for a good few years.

[aquarianone]

surveyor said:

There are only a couple of vendors in this market. Ericsson is one (swedish) and Nokia (finish).

Trump wants the US to lead, but in the equipment design and manufacture they are nowhere.

There is as yet no key benefit to 5G - it will happen, but not for a good few years.

no key benefit...? watyoutalkinaboutwilis?

I think it'll be a much bigger game changer than 4g...(over time)

For business and services there will be huge opportunities in the interconnectedness of all our "stuff"

not just our fridges talking to our phones, but more how we interact with our infrastructure...gps, traffic lighting, traffic network, in car tech, emergency services, it could all be much more synced up..

Lower latency, higher capacity, Speed, Bandwidth and efficiency Improvements..

Edited by aquarianone on Thursday 25th April 13:11

[3.1416]

Telly tells the kettle to boil at half time in the footie and phones for takeaway at full time.

[surveyor]

aquarianone said:

surveyor said:

There are only a couple of vendors in this market. Ericsson is one (swedish) and Nokia (finish).

Trump wants the US to lead, but in the equipment design and manufacture they are nowhere.

There is as yet no key benefit to 5G - it will happen, but not for a good few years.

no key benefit...? watyoutalkinaboutwilis?

I think it'll be a much bigger game changer than 4g...(over time)

For business and services there will be huge opportunities in the interconnectedness of all our "stuff"

not just our fridges talking to our phones, but more how we interact with our infrastructure...gps, traffic lighting, traffic network, in car tech, emergency services, it could all be much more synced up..

Lower latency, higher capacity, Speed, Bandwidth and efficiency Improvements..

Edited by aquarianone on Thursday 25th April 13:11

It's not there yet... Iot already exists and works. How much faster does the car need to dial the emergency services etc. I have do doubt the use case will come. But its not there right now.

[Mothersruin]

Smacks to me of what's best for Teresa May rather than what's best for the country.

Sound familiar?

[devnull]

surveyor said:

aquarianone said:

surveyor said:

There are only a couple of vendors in this market. Ericsson is one (swedish) and Nokia (finish).

Trump wants the US to lead, but in the equipment design and manufacture they are nowhere.

There is as yet no key benefit to 5G - it will happen, but not for a good few years.

no key benefit...? watyoutalkinaboutwilis?

I think it'll be a much bigger game changer than 4g...(over time)

For business and services there will be huge opportunities in the interconnectedness of all our "stuff"

not just our fridges talking to our phones, but more how we interact with our infrastructure...gps, traffic lighting, traffic network, in car tech, emergency services, it could all be much more synced up..

Lower latency, higher capacity, Speed, Bandwidth and efficiency Improvements..

Edited by aquarianone on Thursday 25th April 13:11

It's not there yet... Iot already exists and works. How much faster does the car need to dial the emergency services etc. I have do doubt the use case will come. But its not there right now.

Yes, but it has to exist for there to be the benefit eventually.

In other news, none of this is new to me. Anyone who has worked in telecoms for the last 20 years or so has always known that Huawei has been the dodgy player in the networking infrastructure field. Very few UK organisations i've worked with have used huawei equipment - Cisco is the gold standard.

[Coolbanana]

egomeister said:

Foxconn are Taiwanese, but I'm sure Emperor Xi won't mind the mix up.

Damn right!

Apologies, ignore my previous posts on this subject - my wife has also called me a numpty asked me why did I think she travelled to Taiwan when she worked for HMD!

[jammy-git]

Mothersruin said:

Smacks to me of what's best for Teresa May rather than what's best for the country.

Sound familiar?

This and Trumps state visit feel like the UK handing out favours whilst we cosy up to the likes of America and China for trade deals.

[markcoznottz]

jfire said:

Gotta say some comic irony there with this leak.

Prime suspect? Maybe someone can edit the list of attendees to include the odds:

Theresa May, prime minister
David Lidington, Cabinet Office minister
Philip Hammond, chancellor
Greg Clark, business secretary
Jeremy Wright, culture secretary
Jeremy Hunt, foreign secretary
Mr. Wong
Sajid Javid, home secretary
Penny Mordaunt, international development secretary
Liam Fox, trade secretary
Gavin Williamson, defence secretary
Sir Mark Sedwill, national security adviser (NSA)
Madeleine Alessandri, deputy NSA
Christian Turner, deputy NSA
The heads of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ

2 wongs don't make a wite!

[Fundoreen]

I would think its likely PM May leaked herself to buy another couple of weeks distraction due to crossrail delay/brexit mess/trump visit announcement.
What a shower this lot are.