School protests - sex education
Discussion
Diversion said:
The problem we have is that unfortunately God and or his prophets have not been seen or heard from in a few hundred years.... If they were to reappear and tell everybody that certain things are now ok we could move forward accordingly.
Where are they when you need one ?
An apparition came to me recently and told me God wants everyone to give me their money and in exchange he'd save them.Where are they when you need one ?
I did try telling my local religious groups of this but its taking some time to get traction tbh.
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
That makes sense.
I'm glad it makes sense to you, because I'm struggling to pick out what exactly it is you're making a point about. That makes sense.
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Diversion said:
The problem we have is that unfortunately God and or his prophets have not been seen or heard from in a few hundred years.... If they were to reappear and tell everybody that certain things are now ok we could move forward accordingly.
Where are they when you need one ?
An apparition came to me recently and told me God wants everyone to give me their money and in exchange he'd save them.Where are they when you need one ?
I did try telling my local religious groups of this but its taking some time to get traction tbh.
Rivenink said:
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
That makes sense.
I'm glad it makes sense to you, because I'm struggling to pick out what exactly it is you're making a point about. That makes sense.
motco said:
I would expect liberals to support ethnic minorities in their strict religious beliefs.
I would expect liberals to support freedom of sexual expression and the accompanying full range sex education.
Sounds like you're the one who's confused. I would expect liberals to support freedom of sexual expression and the accompanying full range sex education.
What you call a "liberal" supports religious freedom, not religious extremism. As "liberals" tend to be progressive and centrist, they oppose extremism in all it's forms.
What you call "liberal", most people call "not an extremist nutcase".
Dog Star said:
The thing is that I never had any of this kind of thing - I'm 51 - during my education. Because I am (hopefully) a decent human being I don't go around picking on people that are different, if someone is doing something harmless to others then I really don't care.
Nor did I, and I'm five years younger than you. But I'm certainly old enough to observe that attitudes to difference have changed markedly for the better in my lifetime. And thinking about it, there probably was some conscious attempt to civilise us beginning even then - I don't think To Kill A Mockingbird and Wilf Owen's poetry were on the English syllabus entirely for their literary merit. And that's pretty much the extent of how this stuff is being done - through the kind of books they would be reading anyway.
Dog Star said:
I would venture that with media and general social ideas these days that all this kind of stuff it totally unnecessary. If I had a child I'd rather it was being taught to speak French or whatever in the time.
I would suggest that if these things were unnecessary, nobody would be kicking off about them conflicting with what they wanted their children to believe.s1962a said:
Rivenink said:
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
That makes sense.
I'm glad it makes sense to you, because I'm struggling to pick out what exactly it is you're making a point about. That makes sense.
I mean if you think I'm being a hypocrite, please point out why so I can at least answer the charge.
s1962a said:
So in typical PH fashion, if your kids school was doing a religious seminar and an LGBT educational seminar on the same day for your kids, you'd be up in arms about the religions education, and a religious type would be up in arms against the LGBT session.. but you'd claim the other person was wrong and not being tolerant?
No, I have no problem with schools teaching "some people are Christians and they believe this, others are Muslims and they believe that, others are Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jews, etc and they believe this, and it's OK for them to believe in these things or not in any of them at all, so long as they respect the rights of others to their own beliefs and practices". And no problem with them telling kids that some people are LGBT and that's fine too. Of course the way that it is handled is also important. For the primary school kids it focuses on there being all sorts of different families, with different colours, ways of dressing, religions, numbers of children, single parents, mum and dad, two mums, two dads.They're not holding buggery lessons.
eldar said:
Diversion said:
What is an Extreme Religious View ?
If it is in the religious texts, it is hardly extreme. Society has moved on and certain things we now deem unacceptable but that doesn't make a religious text extreme.
You regularly see Islamic schools in the press teaching what are either Extreme Religious Views or are they good traditional Islamic values ??
That would be an ecumenical matter.... If it is in the religious texts, it is hardly extreme. Society has moved on and certain things we now deem unacceptable but that doesn't make a religious text extreme.
You regularly see Islamic schools in the press teaching what are either Extreme Religious Views or are they good traditional Islamic values ??
otolith said:
I would suggest that if these things were unnecessary, nobody would be kicking off about them conflicting with what they wanted their children to believe.
Absolutely. It's 2019 and there are still kids (from all backgrounds) going through hell because of their sexuality.
k I don't believe in any of it.dudleybloke said:
Shouldn’t put up with this. Parents should be fined for unauthorised absence. Good luck with getting the Pakistani community behind this,it's just not thier thing at all.
We are in it for the long run to be fair things like this are a side show. When Tony Blair green lit £40 billion of arms sales to Saudi Arabia, he tied our hands. What came the other way was money for wahhabist/deobanist mosques in the uk, with extremely conservative values. We also buy lpg off Qatar who do similar. Never mind the other gas that' originates in Russia! Not much room to move really and very precarious relationships. Not a subject that gets raised much although someone raised the point in question time, brave individual.
We are in it for the long run to be fair things like this are a side show. When Tony Blair green lit £40 billion of arms sales to Saudi Arabia, he tied our hands. What came the other way was money for wahhabist/deobanist mosques in the uk, with extremely conservative values. We also buy lpg off Qatar who do similar. Never mind the other gas that' originates in Russia! Not much room to move really and very precarious relationships. Not a subject that gets raised much although someone raised the point in question time, brave individual.
gregs656 said:
dudleybloke said:
Shouldn’t put up with this. Parents should be fined for unauthorised absence. article said:
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