Gulf of Oman incidents
Discussion
red_slr said:
Reports the MT Front Altair has now sunk.
Not according to this if it's recently updated https://www.myshiptracking.com/?mmsi=538007007
Other tanker
https://www.myshiptracking.com/?mmsi=371880000
Edited by DAVEVO9 on Thursday 13th June 11:48
BlackLabel said:
Whoever did it this just plays into the hands of John Bolton types in Washington and their warmonger friends in Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
Indeed, but who, and why? Iran have nothing to gain from this, no terrorist group have taken responsibility, and the whole thing is just very confusing. As likely to be Saudi Arabia poking bears as anything else.
If these attacks were a genuine torpedo attack, that would imply either quite sophisticated submarines or perhaps slightly more primitive surface vessels, in either case this would seem something the US / UK navies should have a pretty good track on.
If it is a foreign navy doing the dirty work here, who would have the most to gain by such actions?
If it is a foreign navy doing the dirty work here, who would have the most to gain by such actions?
A mpost interesting article here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-emirates-tanker... Concerning the attacks off the coast of the UAE in May just gone. Limpet mines laid by frogmen , sounds like a WW2 type tactic , Cockleshell heroes type of incident.
As for the current attacks on the tankers,its perhaps pertinent to be aware that the Gulf of Oman is very deep , 10000 feet in places , quite unlike the persian gulf which is under 300 feet at its very deepest. Basically, the Persian gulf is a bad place for submarines to operate , much easier to detect in shallow water , the depth of the Omani gulf would certainly help subs to avoid detection.
The puzzling part is the reports of damage above the waterline , however, were a torpedo set to run on the surface , it would cause damge both above and below said waterline.
Iran has 7 subs, several of them very modern diesel electric boats ,some of which are armed with Mines and missiles, as well as Torpedo's. Very concerning.
Iran also has over 20 of these : http://www.hisutton.com/Demystified%20-%20new%20lo... . Which would be just the ticket for the UAE attacks last month. Usually launched from a landing ship, but can be adapted so as to be able to be launched from a submarine.
As for the current attacks on the tankers,its perhaps pertinent to be aware that the Gulf of Oman is very deep , 10000 feet in places , quite unlike the persian gulf which is under 300 feet at its very deepest. Basically, the Persian gulf is a bad place for submarines to operate , much easier to detect in shallow water , the depth of the Omani gulf would certainly help subs to avoid detection.
The puzzling part is the reports of damage above the waterline , however, were a torpedo set to run on the surface , it would cause damge both above and below said waterline.
Iran has 7 subs, several of them very modern diesel electric boats ,some of which are armed with Mines and missiles, as well as Torpedo's. Very concerning.
Iran also has over 20 of these : http://www.hisutton.com/Demystified%20-%20new%20lo... . Which would be just the ticket for the UAE attacks last month. Usually launched from a landing ship, but can be adapted so as to be able to be launched from a submarine.
Edited by Hosenbugler on Thursday 13th June 13:15
Gandahar said:
Trump gunboat diplomacy v Iran mining diplomacy.
That huge US fleet not doing much good at the moment in protecting the tankers.
They weren't very good in the Iraq Iranian war either in protecting them. The USA on the side of despot Saddam Hussain of course. Ahem,
Well Airbuses don't fly anywhere near US Navy vessels anymore.... That huge US fleet not doing much good at the moment in protecting the tankers.
They weren't very good in the Iraq Iranian war either in protecting them. The USA on the side of despot Saddam Hussain of course. Ahem,
FF
DAVEVO9 said:
red_slr said:
Reports the MT Front Altair has now sunk.
Not according to this if it's recently updated https://www.myshiptracking.com/?mmsi=538007007
Other tanker
https://www.myshiptracking.com/?mmsi=371880000
Edited by DAVEVO9 on Thursday 13th June 11:48
Canute said:
If these attacks were a genuine torpedo attack, that would imply either quite sophisticated submarines or perhaps slightly more primitive surface vessels, in either case this would seem something the US / UK navies should have a pretty good track on.
If it is a foreign navy doing the dirty work here, who would have the most to gain by such actions?
A number of nations in that area have Swimmer Delivery Vehicles - mini wet subs designed to take individual or groups of divers - armed with whatever you like - stealthily into places they shouldn't be. Some can be released (not fired!) through a traditional naval submarine's torpedo tube whilst submerged. They can also be overboarded by a davit on a larger vessel, or even air dropped from a helicopter.If it is a foreign navy doing the dirty work here, who would have the most to gain by such actions?
I know for a fact Bahrain absolutely does have them.
International interest in procuring these vehicles is totally exploding (mind the pun). I've often wondered what the real world application actually would be. Its typically places with oil interests or strategic ports that seem to be enquiring about them. I suppose this kind of thing totally fits the bill.
Hosenbugler said:
The puzzling part is the reports of damage above the waterline , however, were a torpedo set to run on the surface , it would cause damge both above and below said waterline.
modern torpedos have no need to run on the surface. Vast majority of modern torpedos correctly targetted against a surface ship will be designed to detonate UNDER the ship. The damage often splits smaller vessels in half as it rips from keel through to the upper decks.And old (think pre 70's) or s
t torpedo might need to hit the side but even still, any decent explosive load is likely to cause damage above and below waterline. These are weakly built thin skinned merchant ships not armoured battleships.Condi said:
BlackLabel said:
Whoever did it this just plays into the hands of John Bolton types in Washington and their warmonger friends in Riyadh and Tel Aviv.
Indeed, but who, and why? Iran have nothing to gain from this, no terrorist group have taken responsibility, and the whole thing is just very confusing. As likely to be Saudi Arabia poking bears as anything else.
Also to be seen as tweaking the dragons tail in the USA
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