Gulf of Oman incidents
Discussion
NRS said:
I'm a little puzzled how a 20-something year old can comment on the difference in life between the current lot, and someone overthrown 40 years ago?
Same reason i know how bad it was under Labour during the 70s. My dad was a shop steward and the unions had a lot of power - too much power. Then of course one can do their own reading and apply a modicum of balance to see the bigger picture. It doesn’t make me a Tory any more than saying someone from Iran who doesn’t like the regime is ‘westernised’.fido said:
NRS said:
I'm a little puzzled how a 20-something year old can comment on the difference in life between the current lot, and someone overthrown 40 years ago?
Same reason i know how bad it was under Labour during the 70s. My dad was a shop steward and the unions had a lot of power - too much power. Then of course one can do their own reading and apply a modicum of balance to see the bigger picture. It doesn’t make me a Tory any more than saying someone from Iran who doesn’t like the regime is ‘westernised’.I'd love to know the internal wranglings going on in Iran over this. When the US went back on their own deal there was a lot of sympathy for Iran. Their tanker being stopped off Gibraltar was troublesome but evidently a point of dialogue.
Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
HannsG said:
It's a disgrace personally. An island nation and we ain't got enough ships....
Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks b
ks.
Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.
Don't even get me started on Corbyn!
How on earth did we get in this position?
This.Welcome to post brexit Britain. We have a muppet banging a young blond who dithers and talks b
ks. Then you have Hunt who prefers posing with fish and chips.
Don't even get me started on Corbyn!
How on earth did we get in this position?
glazbagun said:
I'd love to know the internal wranglings going on in Iran over this. When the US went back on their own deal there was a lot of sympathy for Iran. Their tanker being stopped off Gibraltar was troublesome but evidently a point of dialogue.
Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
They had warned about it, and as has been pointed out, there are questions over the legality of the holding of the Iranian tanker anyway. Even if it was legal(ish), then who in the UK government thought it was a good idea to continue to poke the bear, when at the same time they were publicly stating that Iran should keep to the nuclear agreement which was abandoned by the US, negating any possible benefit to Iran from sticking to their side of the bargain. There has been lots of talk from the EU partners, but little action which benefits Iran, and as they say, talk is cheap. Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
IMO this was all totally preventable at 3 or 4 stages, and it is hardly surprising what has happened.
Countdown said:
fido said:
NRS said:
I'm a little puzzled how a 20-something year old can comment on the difference in life between the current lot, and someone overthrown 40 years ago?
Same reason i know how bad it was under Labour during the 70s. My dad was a shop steward and the unions had a lot of power - too much power. Then of course one can do their own reading and apply a modicum of balance to see the bigger picture. It doesn’t make me a Tory any more than saying someone from Iran who doesn’t like the regime is ‘westernised’.glazbagun said:
I'd love to know the internal wranglings going on in Iran over this. When the US went back on their own deal there was a lot of sympathy for Iran. Their tanker being stopped off Gibraltar was troublesome but evidently a point of dialogue.
Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
They're screwed anyway. The US has put sanctions on them, and very few people/countries will risk doing anything with them, as the US sanctions and possibly getting thrown in prison etc as a result is going to put them off. It's why the current deal is completely dead without the US, despite still being "supported" by the EU countries.Grabbing ships from the Hormuz Strait might play well from a domestic flag waving pov, but I can't see any scenario wherr it helps them internationaly.
Pesty said:
Last time I went on a frigate it had a little hanger at the back with a lynx in it.
I keep reading the ship was steaming ahead to get there but just got there too late.why not send a helicopter?
I belive HMS Montrose has a similar set up. Why didn’t it send that out?
Because one helicopter wouldn’t stand a chance against the Iranian forces already there? The only hope was a far greater force than the Iranians had present in order to avoid a skirmish, which would be Montrose itself? Just a guess I’m not a military man myself but it makes sense to me.I keep reading the ship was steaming ahead to get there but just got there too late.why not send a helicopter?
I belive HMS Montrose has a similar set up. Why didn’t it send that out?
The Iranians have what they want now, we’ve got one each and we’ll both be releasing each other’s ships soon I would imagine. Seize another of theirs and no doubt they’ll do the same again. It’s a silly game.
Let’s not forget that Tehran doesn’t exactly have a tight grip on the Revolutionary Guards either. They’re part of the ideological branch of the country. This may not have been sanctioned by Rouhani’s government in its entirety and may have been more of an honour thing at the behest of Khamenei.
Condi said:
Even if it was legal(ish), then who in the UK government thought it was a good idea to continue to poke the bear, when at the same time they were publicly stating that Iran should keep to the nuclear agreement which was abandoned by the US
America says "jump", we say "how high?"You can almost guarantee we took that tanker on their say so.
As if the world doesnt have enough problems we seem to have manufactured this one. The US backed out of a deal but somehow the UK seems to be enforcing the US position.
The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Fundoreen said:
As if the world doesnt have enough problems we seem to have manufactured this one. The US backed out of a deal but somehow the UK seems to be enforcing the US position.
The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Hold on. We intercepted the Iranian ship because of EU sanction, not the USA.The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
s2art said:
Fundoreen said:
As if the world doesnt have enough problems we seem to have manufactured this one. The US backed out of a deal but somehow the UK seems to be enforcing the US position.
The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Hold on. We intercepted the Iranian ship because of EU sanction, not the USA.The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Countdown said:
s2art said:
Fundoreen said:
As if the world doesnt have enough problems we seem to have manufactured this one. The US backed out of a deal but somehow the UK seems to be enforcing the US position.
The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Hold on. We intercepted the Iranian ship because of EU sanction, not the USA.The rest of the world looks on bemused at what we are up to with our last little thrash around before OAP status .
You would think with energy security from their own fracking and drilling the US would leave the middle east alone a bit but they have to create stress for the rest of the world that depends on oil from the area.
Who's going to pay?
Maybe the ghoulish evil saudis will bankroll it to be done with israeli brains and knowhow thus making them both even more beloved than ever.
Let's hope there's a clean way out of this cluster f
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