Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! Vol 3
Discussion
Brave Fart said:
Countdown said:
Mick: Railtrack won't guarantee in writing "No compulsory redundancies"
Rachel : "Yes they will! I have it here in front of me, IN WRITING!" (produces letter with a Gotcha flourish)
Mick : "Ok, read out to me where it says No Compulsory Redundancies"
Rachel : "We'd like to have a situation where there are No Compulsory Redundancies....."
Yes, I watched that, and it was rather embarrassing for Rachel Maclean. I know QT isn't the important show that it once was, but the Tories keep fielding rather weak, poorly informed and vague panellists who come across as rather hopeless. Perhaps the smarter ones (assuming they exist) avoid the programme at the moment.Rachel : "Yes they will! I have it here in front of me, IN WRITING!" (produces letter with a Gotcha flourish)
Mick : "Ok, read out to me where it says No Compulsory Redundancies"
Rachel : "We'd like to have a situation where there are No Compulsory Redundancies....."
Welshbeef said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
National minimum wage is £19.7k. Are these scientists part time or utterly unaware they are being paid the same rate as unskilled toilet cleaners, or dog poo bin emptiers?
Here is a research scientist role, which requires at least MSc qualification, paying up to £20K.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
GreatGranny said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
I suggest your wife is grossly under paid rather than ticket office staff being grossly overpaid.https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
andyA700 said:
Welshbeef said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
National minimum wage is £19.7k. Are these scientists part time or utterly unaware they are being paid the same rate as unskilled toilet cleaners, or dog poo bin emptiers?
Here is a research scientist role, which requires at least MSc qualification, paying up to £20K.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
Masters qualification as a pre requisite
Vs
No qualifications at all no unit debt and cleaning toilets with zero responsibility for the same.
Seriously she needs something different.
STEM careers are generally poorly paid, given they required some of the hardest to gain qualifications.
You generally only get salary progression by either moving employer frequently or move up the management chain.
As an example, engineering design jobs pay today, pretty much what they did 20 years ago.
I would have thought someone with 20+ years experience would have been pitched at Senior Scientist level (salaries on that link indicate £30-45k) so perhaps a change of employer (or threat to move) may result in a pay increase?
You generally only get salary progression by either moving employer frequently or move up the management chain.
As an example, engineering design jobs pay today, pretty much what they did 20 years ago.
I would have thought someone with 20+ years experience would have been pitched at Senior Scientist level (salaries on that link indicate £30-45k) so perhaps a change of employer (or threat to move) may result in a pay increase?
superlightr said:
I think thats the issue with MP's they believe what they are being told/fed and dont have the gumption to actually think or check for themselves. I would argue that is also why we ended up with virtually all parties going harder longer faster with covid policies when it wasnt required. London Bubble/echo chamber for MP's
Agreed, which is why the likes of Mick Lynch can run rings around politicians like Rachel Maclean. Mind you, he does the same to journalists. Perhaps politicians and journalists are of similar poor quality, with a few exceptions.andyA700 said:
Well, look at this then. Up to £20K requiring a Masters degree.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
I am not sure that is the best example as it appears to be an internship for someone just starting out. Salaries in even well paid professions can often by low for people with no work experience. https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
Welshbeef said:
andyA700 said:
Welshbeef said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
National minimum wage is £19.7k. Are these scientists part time or utterly unaware they are being paid the same rate as unskilled toilet cleaners, or dog poo bin emptiers?
Here is a research scientist role, which requires at least MSc qualification, paying up to £20K.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
Masters qualification as a pre requisite
Vs
No qualifications at all no unit debt and cleaning toilets with zero responsibility for the same.
Seriously she needs something different.
colin79666 said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
Here’s an idea. Form/join a union and bargain for a better deal if you don’t like it. JagLover said:
andyA700 said:
Well, look at this then. Up to £20K requiring a Masters degree.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
I am not sure that is the best example as it appears to be an internship for someone just starting out. Salaries in even well paid professions can often by low for people with no work experience. https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
andyA700 said:
At her last firm at the South East branch, there were around two hundred people working. The junior scientists were on 18K to 21K. The senior scientists were on 25K to 35K.
Yes the salary for the senior scientists sounds low. Just pointing out the example you gave wasn't the best as I doubt recently recruited accountancy trainees are paid any more and certainly, a few years back, would have likely been getting a lot less. andyA700 said:
Welshbeef said:
andyA700 said:
As someone who generally supports the unions and what they do for poorer workers, let's put this into perspective. If your salary rates for ticket office staf are correct, what qualifications do they need? My wife is a scientist with a MSc in biology, she has twenty years experience, developing cutting edge medical devices. She is on £28K a year. There are scientists in her company on £19K a year.
National minimum wage is £19.7k. Are these scientists part time or utterly unaware they are being paid the same rate as unskilled toilet cleaners, or dog poo bin emptiers?
Here is a research scientist role, which requires at least MSc qualification, paying up to £20K.
https://uk.indeed.com/Junior-Research-Scientist-jo...
Are we saying that if person A earns 20k per year, and person B earns 10k per year, that person A's salary should go down?
Thursday 30th June 10.40pm BBC1
Fiona Bruce hosts over a Scottish based panel that includes:.
Angus Robertson MSP Scottish National Party Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture
Craig Hoy MSP Chairman of the Scottish Conservative Party (AKA Tory b*st*rd)
Pam Duncan-Glancy MSP Scottish Labour Party (AKA another Tory b*st*rd)
Fraser Nelson Journalist Editor of The Spectator
Susie McCabe Scottish comedian and a person who hates all Tory B*st*rds whether be Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem
Topics may include
When will we have the vote for independence
The vote for independence cannot come soon enough
It should be up to Nicola Sturgeon to calculate what percentage of SNP supporters is allowed to determine the outcome of the vote for Scottish Independence
Is it not best that only SNP supporters can vote for independence as everyone else is a Tory B*st*rd ?
When will Boris resign
When Will Keir Starmer resign
Now that Labours Shadow minister for Housing, Communities and Local Government) - Mike Amesbury has resigned will the Labour Party finally admit that they are ste as an opposition party and stand aside for The SNP the true opposition to these torreeeeeeeeee b*st*rds
When will both the Conservative and Labour Parties stand down and allow all of the UK to become New Scotland headed by the SNP
Why can't we have a scottish themed version of Question Time broadcast shown in Scotland at the same time as the English one ?
It could be presented by a proper scottish oresenter such as Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh and not some wannabee tory b*st*rd
When Scotland gets its independence the rest of the UK will have to pay us back for all the oil and gas they stole from us how much per household should this be set at ?
Drug deaths in Scotland are a direct result of Tory policies it's as good as if Margaret Thatcher injected these people herself
Why aren't there more episodes with SNP members on them
Fiona Bruce hosts over a Scottish based panel that includes:.
Angus Robertson MSP Scottish National Party Cabinet Secretary for the Constitution, External Affairs and Culture
Craig Hoy MSP Chairman of the Scottish Conservative Party (AKA Tory b*st*rd)
Pam Duncan-Glancy MSP Scottish Labour Party (AKA another Tory b*st*rd)
Fraser Nelson Journalist Editor of The Spectator
Susie McCabe Scottish comedian and a person who hates all Tory B*st*rds whether be Conservative, Labour or Lib Dem
Topics may include
When will we have the vote for independence
The vote for independence cannot come soon enough
It should be up to Nicola Sturgeon to calculate what percentage of SNP supporters is allowed to determine the outcome of the vote for Scottish Independence
Is it not best that only SNP supporters can vote for independence as everyone else is a Tory B*st*rd ?
When will Boris resign
When Will Keir Starmer resign
Now that Labours Shadow minister for Housing, Communities and Local Government) - Mike Amesbury has resigned will the Labour Party finally admit that they are ste as an opposition party and stand aside for The SNP the true opposition to these torreeeeeeeeee b*st*rds
When will both the Conservative and Labour Parties stand down and allow all of the UK to become New Scotland headed by the SNP
Why can't we have a scottish themed version of Question Time broadcast shown in Scotland at the same time as the English one ?
It could be presented by a proper scottish oresenter such as Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh and not some wannabee tory b*st*rd
When Scotland gets its independence the rest of the UK will have to pay us back for all the oil and gas they stole from us how much per household should this be set at ?
Drug deaths in Scotland are a direct result of Tory policies it's as good as if Margaret Thatcher injected these people herself
Why aren't there more episodes with SNP members on them
Edited by anonymoususer on Thursday 30th June 16:49
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