45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)

[Tallow]

inonthis said:

Trump is only just getting started. He'll continue hoovering up the moderate votes (his approval rating is at a record high) while the dems continue to implode and it'll be hello 2020 without breaking a sweat.

https://spectator.org/why-trumps-approval-ratings-...

To suggest that Trump has a 50% approval rating amongst Hispanics is pretty laughable. I know plenty of Latinos (yes, I know it's technically not the same) and not one of them likes Trump in any shape or form, and yes, a good proportion of those are eligible to vote.

ETA Here's the media bias check page for the American Spectator in case you're interested: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-spectator/

Edited by Tallow on Tuesday 20th August 13:55

[rscott]

inonthis said:

Trump is only just getting started. He'll continue hoovering up the moderate votes (his approval rating is at a record high) while the dems continue to implode and it'll be hello 2020 without breaking a sweat.

https://spectator.org/why-trumps-approval-ratings-...

Er, what? One poll of under 900 gives him vaguely decent figures (the Zogby poll in the Spectator article). All the rest show no real change - he's still not popular . https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approva...

Even Fox News only has him with a 43% approval rating.

Gallup reckins it's 41%, compared with an average of 53% for all other presidents since 1938 . He's 30% below George HW Bush's approval rating at the same point in his presidency.

[minimoog]

inonthis said:

Trump is only just getting started. He'll continue hoovering up the moderate votes (his approval rating is at a record high) while the dems continue to implode and it'll be hello 2020 without breaking a sweat.

https://spectator.org/why-trumps-approval-ratings-...

Hello Fartytrousers! In for our monthly troll are we?

[p1stonhead]

inonthis said:

Trump is only just getting started. He'll continue hoovering up the moderate votes (his approval rating is at a record high) while the dems continue to implode and it'll be hello 2020 without breaking a sweat.

https://spectator.org/why-trumps-approval-ratings-...

I agree, not necessarily with that link, but I think he will win. No one comes close to gaining critical mass support of the Dems like Trump has on his side.

It’s exactly like here at the moment. We have no opposition to an absolutely disasterous government.

[Tallow]

p1stonhead said:

I agree, not necessarily with that link, but I think he will win. No one comes close to gaining critical mass support of the Dems like Trump has on his side.

It’s exactly like here at the moment. We have no opposition to an absolutely disasterous government.

I'm inclined to agree he's got a reasonable chance. But it's absolutely nothing to do with the minority vote.

[paulguitar]

Tallow said:

p1stonhead said:

I agree, not necessarily with that link, but I think he will win. No one comes close to gaining critical mass support of the Dems like Trump has on his side.

It’s exactly like here at the moment. We have no opposition to an absolutely disasterous government.

I'm inclined to agree he's got a reasonable chance. But it's absolutely nothing to do with the minority vote.

I remember being incredulous when GWB was re-elected. Can you imagine if they actually put this fkwit in again? The fact that it is even a possibility is truly mind-boggling.

[p1stonhead]

paulguitar said:

Tallow said:

p1stonhead said:

I agree, not necessarily with that link, but I think he will win. No one comes close to gaining critical mass support of the Dems like Trump has on his side.

It’s exactly like here at the moment. We have no opposition to an absolutely disasterous government.

I'm inclined to agree he's got a reasonable chance. But it's absolutely nothing to do with the minority vote.

I remember being incredulous when GWB was re-elected. Can you imagine if they actually put this fkwit in again? The fact that it is even a possibility is truly mind-boggling.

Americans -
“Hold my burger (and gun)”

[Bill]

p1stonhead said:

I agree, not necessarily with that link, but I think he will win. No one comes close to gaining critical mass support of the Dems like Trump has on his side.

It’s exactly like here at the moment. We have no opposition to an absolutely disasterous government.

I dunno. Clinton won the popular vote despite being Hillary.

[Byker28i]

but donald insisted that americans weren't paying...

The average American household will be down $1,000 per year thanks to the newest round of tariffs on Chinese goods, according to J.P. Morgan.

The firm estimates the average annual tariff cost per household will increase from $600 from the first two rounds of tariffs. The new tariffs are scheduled to begin Sept. 1 and in mid-December.

“What distinguishes China Phase III tariffs from preceding tariffs is the impact to Consumption and Capital goods whereas previous tariffs focused more on Intermediate goods,” J.P. Morgan head of U.S. equity strategy Dubravko Lakos-Bujas said in a note to clients. “This suggests that the expected consumer impact should be larger in the latest round.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/19/heres-what-new-tar...

[Byker28i]

...and the donald insisted the economy was the strongest it's ever been...

CNN has confirmed the Washington Post scoop that White House officials, at one point in recent days, were discussing a potential payroll tax cut to stave off an economic slowdown, despite saying publicly they aren't worried about a potential recession.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/20/politics/white-...

[inonthis]

I'm not here to troll, just trying to redress the thread balance slightly.

Regardless of any polls, I think he's certain to win because the dems are incapable of sorting their own backyard out and people want a safe(er) pair of hands. It's really that simple and the comparison with us is true.

[minimoog]

inonthis said:

Regardless of any polls, I think he's certain to win because the dems are incapable of sorting their own backyard out and people want a safe(er) pair of hands. It's really that simple and the comparison with us is true.

I wouldn't say 'certain' and definitely not 'safe hands' but the general point about the Dem's potential to throw the opportunity away has been made and largely agreed upon by most posters in this thread of late.

Sitting presidents don't win elections, their opponents lose them.

[inonthis]

minimoog said:

I wouldn't say 'certain' and definitely not 'safe hands' but the general point about the Dem's potential to throw the opportunity away has been made and largely agreed upon by most posters in this thread of late.

Sitting presidents don't win elections, their opponents lose them.

Well that's fair enough but I don't think the penny has dropped for paulguitar yet

[captain_cynic]

minimoog said:

Sitting presidents don't win elections, their opponents lose them.

The saying is more "Opposition's don't win elections, governments lose them" it makes more sense when you realise that it's the government who needs to hold onto power and the government who will lose the most.

If one party in the US is losing it, it has to be the republicans as more and more republicans are turning on Trump.

We'll know more about the Democrats after the Primaries. During the Primaries they are supposed to be competing with each other and it's been a hell of a lot more civil and adult than the sitting president has ever been.

Remember that Trump didn't win by a huge margin in 2016, despite his protestation. It'll only take one swing state and it's goodbye Trump.

[Castrol for a knave]

captain_cynic said:

minimoog said:

Sitting presidents don't win elections, their opponents lose them.

The saying is more "Opposition's don't win elections, governments lose them" it makes more sense when you realise that it's the government who needs to hold onto power and the government who will lose the most.

If one party in the US is losing it, it has to be the republicans as more and more republicans are turning on Trump.

We'll know more about the Democrats after the Primaries. During the Primaries they are supposed to be competing with each other and it's been a hell of a lot more civil and adult than the sitting president has ever been.

Remember that Trump didn't win by a huge margin in 2016, despite his protestation. It'll only take one swing state and it's goodbye Trump.

A point I also made way upthread, is that the demographics are moving in the Dems favour. I suspect younger first time voters are skewed towards the Democrats, and for some of the older voters, skewed to the GOP, they can't vote because they're dead.

[minimoog]

inonthis said:

Well that's fair enough but I don't think the penny has dropped for paulguitar yet

Lets not forget Trump won on a wafer thin margin in just 3 swing states and with Putin batting for him. If Dems can get it together to field a vaguely coherent and centrist candidate, and get all the Bernie fans to back that candidate instead of taking their bat and ball home like last time, they have a good chance even in the face of more outside interference and domestic voter suppression efforts.

Trouble is the fringe left and Bernie mob will probably pull their JPF Crack Suicide Squad stunt again.

I'm also concerned some of the swing voters who helped turn the House blue in 2018 will be unimpressed with the efforts (not) made to hold Trump to account since, and may melt away.

[Castrol for a knave]

Not sure if this has been posted before, and whilst it is Jan 2019, i think the core hypothesis still runs true.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/an-early-loo...

[p1stonhead]

minimoog said:

inonthis said:

Well that's fair enough but I don't think the penny has dropped for paulguitar yet

Lets not forget Trump won on a wafer thin margin in just 3 swing states and with Putin batting for him.

In these states IIRC

[paulguitar]

inonthis said:

people want a safe(er) pair of hands.

trump. Seriously?

inonthis said:

Well that's fair enough but I don't think the penny has dropped for paulguitar yet

Actually, I have acknowledged trumplethinskin's re-election is a potential outcome. I added that it's mind-boggling that it is a possibility.


Which it is.

[Byker28i]

captain_cynic said:

The saying is more "Opposition's don't win elections, governments lose them" it makes more sense when you realise that it's the government who needs to hold onto power and the government who will lose the most.

If one party in the US is losing it, it has to be the republicans as more and more republicans are turning on Trump.

We'll know more about the Democrats after the Primaries. During the Primaries they are supposed to be competing with each other and it's been a hell of a lot more civil and adult than the sitting president has ever been.

Remember that Trump didn't win by a huge margin in 2016, despite his protestation. It'll only take one swing state and it's goodbye Trump.

trump won 3 states unexpectedly, which gave him he win despite losing the popular vote. These were states were Dem voters found they had been removed from the voters database, weren't registered, that have been reported many times as hacked by the russians...