45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
Discussion
hidetheelephants said:
.4% of $14k is $56; their cup overfloweth.
1.2% of $36k is $432; less than $10 a week extra isn't going to make them feel like winners.
1.6% of $65k is $1040; $20 a week makes the groceries or filling up the car a bit easier, but still not keeping up with the K-people.
1.9% of $114k is $2166; $40 a week, not to be sniffed at, then again if you're in this bracket and $40 means the difference between Micawbian happiness and misery the problem isn't the government taking too much of your wedge.
2.9% of $348k; $200 a week, haud me back Jay Gatsby!
Quite why the unwashed deserve a bung one eighth of the size given to the 1%ers is unclear; the rich get richer, the poor get very slightly less poor isn't an election winner as slogans go, but then the US is an odd place in many ways.
If I were cynical I would suspect the poor are less likely to vote (or not allowed to in some cases).1.2% of $36k is $432; less than $10 a week extra isn't going to make them feel like winners.
1.6% of $65k is $1040; $20 a week makes the groceries or filling up the car a bit easier, but still not keeping up with the K-people.
1.9% of $114k is $2166; $40 a week, not to be sniffed at, then again if you're in this bracket and $40 means the difference between Micawbian happiness and misery the problem isn't the government taking too much of your wedge.
2.9% of $348k; $200 a week, haud me back Jay Gatsby!
Quite why the unwashed deserve a bung one eighth of the size given to the 1%ers is unclear; the rich get richer, the poor get very slightly less poor isn't an election winner as slogans go, but then the US is an odd place in many ways.
greygoose said:
If I were cynical I would suspect the poor are less likely to vote (or not allowed to in some cases).
I believe you are right, when you look at the recent elections and the availability of polling stations in areas not likely to vote republicanElection officials across the country have closed thousands of polling places and reduced the number of workers staffing them in recent years, citing cost savings and other new realities like increased early and absentee balloting.
However, days from what many expect will be one of the busiest midterm elections in decades, the burden of Americans’ shrinking access to in-person voting options is falling more heavily on urban areas and minority voters, a USA TODAY analysis of national and state data shows.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/10/30/midt...
Southern states have closed down at least 868 polling places for the 2016 election
Polling place closures are a particularly common and pernicious tactic for disenfranchising voters of color. Decisions to shutter or reduce voting locations are often made quietly and at the last minute, making pre-election intervention or litigation virtually impossible. These changes can place an undue burden on minority voters, who may be less likely to have access to public transportation or vehicles, given continuing disparities in socioeconomic resources. Once an election is conducted, there is no judicial remedy for the loss of votes that were never cast because a voter’s usual polling place has disappeared.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/...
Polling Places in Black Communities Continue to Close Ahead of November Elections
10 counties with large black populations in Georgia closed polling spots after a white elections consultant recommended they do so to save money. When the consultant suggested a similar move in Randolph County, pushback was enough to keep its nine polling places open.
https://www.governing.com/topics/politics/sl-polli...
It's not just gerrymandering
Barr is under investigation by his own justice department
The move is likely to open the attorney general to accusations that he is trying to deliver a political victory for President Trump.
Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to convene a grand jury and to file criminal charges.
The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/joh...
The move is likely to open the attorney general to accusations that he is trying to deliver a political victory for President Trump.
Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to convene a grand jury and to file criminal charges.
The opening of a criminal investigation is likely to raise alarms that Mr. Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies. Mr. Trump fired James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director under whose watch agents opened the Russia inquiry, and has long assailed other top former law enforcement and intelligence officials as partisans who sought to block his election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/joh...
Chairman Schiff and Nadler: "These reports, if true, raise profound new concerns that the Department of Justice under Attorney General William Barr has lost its independence and become a vehicle for President Trump's political revenge."
"If the Department of Justice may be used as a tool of political retribution or to help the President with a political narrative for the next election, the rule of law will suffer new and irreparable damage."
"If the Department of Justice may be used as a tool of political retribution or to help the President with a political narrative for the next election, the rule of law will suffer new and irreparable damage."
Things didn't go well for trump in the house inquiry either yesterday
The opening statement of Bill Taylor, the top US diplomat in Ukraine, is "reverberating" on Capitol Hill among Republicans, according to GOP Hill sources, who told CNN that Taylor's testimony is a game changer in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
A senior Republican source on Capitol Hill told CNN that Taylor's statement was so detailed, so specific and that he is so respected that it is having an impact.
"It points to quid pro quo," the GOP source told CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/republ...
I mean Mulvaney admitted it, whats the problem? "We do that all the time with foreign policy,"
The opening statement of Bill Taylor, the top US diplomat in Ukraine, is "reverberating" on Capitol Hill among Republicans, according to GOP Hill sources, who told CNN that Taylor's testimony is a game changer in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.
A senior Republican source on Capitol Hill told CNN that Taylor's statement was so detailed, so specific and that he is so respected that it is having an impact.
"It points to quid pro quo," the GOP source told CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/republ...
I mean Mulvaney admitted it, whats the problem? "We do that all the time with foreign policy,"
The NY Times has a copy of the letter sent to Laura Cooper trying to stop her testifying to the house.
It's a really good breakdown of each part of team trumps arguments against complying with the subpoena
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/lau...
It's a really good breakdown of each part of team trumps arguments against complying with the subpoena
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/lau...
Barrs trips to dig up dirt for trump seems to have failed.
Italy have said it's nothing to do with them, Mifsud is nothing to do with them
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy said his country’s intelligence services had informed the American attorney general, William P. Barr, that they played no role in the events leading to the Russia investigation, taking the air out of an unsubstantiated theory promoted by President Trump and his allies in recent weeks.
“Our intelligence is completely unrelated to the so-called Russiagate and that has been made clear,” Mr. Conte said in a news conference in Rome on Wednesday evening after spending hours describing Italy’s discussions with Mr. Barr to the parliamentary committee on intelligence.
Mr. Conte publicly acknowledged for the first time that Mr. Barr had twice met with the leaders of Italy’s intelligence agencies after asking them to clarify their role in a 2016 meeting between a Maltese professor and a Trump campaign adviser on a small college campus in Rome, Link Campus University.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/world/europe/it...
We know Barr tried to pressurise the Australians over Papadopolous drunk confession to the UK's Australian Ambassador Downer
Hockey then met privately with Barr, and Adamson met with the US attorney general in late September, having been nominated as the Canberra point of contact. There have been at least four meetings between Australian officials and Americans involved in the Trump investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oc...
Both Italy and Australia are now trying to distance themselves as it's turned into a liability for them that Bill Barr was trying to conspire with them on Trump’s behalf.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italian-australian-of...
Italy have said it's nothing to do with them, Mifsud is nothing to do with them
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte of Italy said his country’s intelligence services had informed the American attorney general, William P. Barr, that they played no role in the events leading to the Russia investigation, taking the air out of an unsubstantiated theory promoted by President Trump and his allies in recent weeks.
“Our intelligence is completely unrelated to the so-called Russiagate and that has been made clear,” Mr. Conte said in a news conference in Rome on Wednesday evening after spending hours describing Italy’s discussions with Mr. Barr to the parliamentary committee on intelligence.
Mr. Conte publicly acknowledged for the first time that Mr. Barr had twice met with the leaders of Italy’s intelligence agencies after asking them to clarify their role in a 2016 meeting between a Maltese professor and a Trump campaign adviser on a small college campus in Rome, Link Campus University.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/world/europe/it...
We know Barr tried to pressurise the Australians over Papadopolous drunk confession to the UK's Australian Ambassador Downer
Hockey then met privately with Barr, and Adamson met with the US attorney general in late September, having been nominated as the Canberra point of contact. There have been at least four meetings between Australian officials and Americans involved in the Trump investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oc...
Both Italy and Australia are now trying to distance themselves as it's turned into a liability for them that Bill Barr was trying to conspire with them on Trump’s behalf.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italian-australian-of...
Can anyone explain whats going on with Tulsi Gabbard.
We know russian bots are pushing her presidential campaign, she's the token Democrats on Fox where she attacks the Dems, she's been attacking the impeachment process against Donald Trump.
So why has she announced she won't stand for reelection for her House seat in 2020, because she’s going to concentrate on her presidential run. Even with all the bot social media help, she’s polling at around two percent, way behind everyone else...
Desperate tactics for attention that when she drops out she rescinds?
https://www.tulsi2020.com/updates/2019-10-24-mahal...
We know russian bots are pushing her presidential campaign, she's the token Democrats on Fox where she attacks the Dems, she's been attacking the impeachment process against Donald Trump.
So why has she announced she won't stand for reelection for her House seat in 2020, because she’s going to concentrate on her presidential run. Even with all the bot social media help, she’s polling at around two percent, way behind everyone else...
Desperate tactics for attention that when she drops out she rescinds?
https://www.tulsi2020.com/updates/2019-10-24-mahal...
Byker28i said:
Can anyone explain whats going on with Tulsi Gabbard.
We know russian bots are pushing her presidential campaign, she's the token Democrats on Fox where she attacks the Dems, she's been attacking the impeachment process against Donald Trump.
So why has she announced she won't stand for reelection for her House seat in 2020, because she’s going to concentrate on her presidential run. Even with all the bot social media help, she’s polling at around two percent, way behind everyone else...
Desperate tactics for attention that when she drops out she rescinds?
https://www.tulsi2020.com/updates/2019-10-24-mahal...
There are some amazingly bitter opinion pieces related to it/her:We know russian bots are pushing her presidential campaign, she's the token Democrats on Fox where she attacks the Dems, she's been attacking the impeachment process against Donald Trump.
So why has she announced she won't stand for reelection for her House seat in 2020, because she’s going to concentrate on her presidential run. Even with all the bot social media help, she’s polling at around two percent, way behind everyone else...
Desperate tactics for attention that when she drops out she rescinds?
https://www.tulsi2020.com/updates/2019-10-24-mahal...
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/201...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct...
Do people ever swap sides in US politics? Maybe she wants to become a republican as she fancies a nice beach house and lots of cash, that seems to be the simplest way to get them!
It's been pointed out ever since she announced she was running
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Hey why not? The russian put their money and efforts behind trump, thought early on as not having a chance, but it could always put a spoon in the mix, and it worked great for them, so why not try it again, only this time try to divide the dems to protect their asset...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Hey why not? The russian put their money and efforts behind trump, thought early on as not having a chance, but it could always put a spoon in the mix, and it worked great for them, so why not try it again, only this time try to divide the dems to protect their asset...
Byker28i said:
It's been pointed out ever since she announced she was running
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Hey why not? The russian put their money and efforts behind trump, thought early on as not having a chance, but it could always put a spoon in the mix, and it worked great for them, so why not try it again, only this time try to divide the dems to protect their asset...
This was discussed last week on the Next US Prez thread. Basically it's Jill Stein all over again. Worked last time to siphon off enough headbanger Dem votes (i.e. Bernie fans) to gift the result to Trump in the marginal states. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Hey why not? The russian put their money and efforts behind trump, thought early on as not having a chance, but it could always put a spoon in the mix, and it worked great for them, so why not try it again, only this time try to divide the dems to protect their asset...
Gotta be worth running that play again, right?
NRS said:
How does this graph posted in your link disagree with my statement that "The tax cuts were not just for the rich, it was a cut for most people, as well as the rich."?
Sadly that chart shows wealth inequality WIDENING - quite clearly.
Which again means that anyone less well off voting for Trump has voted against their own best interests if their interests are in reducing the wealth gap.
Now sure, they are $56 better off per annum. But WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?
Oh yes - debt.
That EVERYONE has to pay for.
It would be like an employer saying to the blue collar staff that they are getting a $1 a week raise while the white collar guys get $200 - FOR A YEAR.
And in the following year everyone has their salary cut by $100.
Brilliant.
NRS said:
- What statistics are showing the trade war has been bad for the US economy? GDP and GDP per capita are up, unemployment is super low.
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2019/10/24/opinion-end-trade-war-blue-collar-america/4063891002/Article says "prevented the creation of 300,000 jobs and reduced GDP growth by 0.3% according to Moodys".
GDP growth doesn't have to be negative for something to be bad, that growth just has to be lower than it would otherwise be.
Davos123 said:
Criticisms of Trump as a human, as a policy-maker etc are fair enough, but this dumb idea that everything he does is idiotic and that he has achieved nothing is reductive and stupid. He has defied the odds to become President, he has employed effective tactics to do so, along with other factors beyond his control. This tweet is just an example of those. Is it blunt, repugnant and the work of an egomaniac who shouldn't be in office? Yes. Is it uncalculated, dumb and without any efficacy? No.
It's not that simple.The office of President of the United States of American exists as a vehicle for that appointee to serve the people of America. "Becoming President" is not an achievement of merit, merely the journey to becoming a servant of the people, to act as a figurehead for democracy and popular consent. Trump, unlike any other President before him has made being President all about him, with the people serving him.. Quite the opposite of how the role is defined in the constitution and laws of America. He is no only concentrating on saving his own skin, trying to remain for another term in the office so as to keep his power over the people. We use the word 'Dictator' when the power and attitude of such roles is reversed in this fashion.
Max_Torque said:
It's not that simple.
The office of President of the United States of American exists as a vehicle for that appointee to serve the people of America. "Becoming President" is not an achievement of merit, merely the journey to becoming a servant of the people, to act as a figurehead for democracy and popular consent. Trump, unlike any other President before him has made being President all about him, with the people serving him.. Quite the opposite of how the role is defined in the constitution and laws of America. He is no only concentrating on saving his own skin, trying to remain for another term in the office so as to keep his power over the people. We use the word 'Dictator' when the power and attitude of such roles is reversed in this fashion.
It is that simple because Trump doesn't give a solitary fThe office of President of the United States of American exists as a vehicle for that appointee to serve the people of America. "Becoming President" is not an achievement of merit, merely the journey to becoming a servant of the people, to act as a figurehead for democracy and popular consent. Trump, unlike any other President before him has made being President all about him, with the people serving him.. Quite the opposite of how the role is defined in the constitution and laws of America. He is no only concentrating on saving his own skin, trying to remain for another term in the office so as to keep his power over the people. We use the word 'Dictator' when the power and attitude of such roles is reversed in this fashion.
k about anything you've said. Success for him was getting elected and further success would he staying in power.Davos123 said:
It is that simple because Trump doesn't give a solitary fk about anything you've said. Success for him was getting elected and further success would he staying in power.
Trump will certainly give a fk about anything you've said. Success for him was getting elected and further success would he staying in power.k when he's on trial for his abuses in the office of the president.Which is pretty much a given now.
Davos123 said:
Max_Torque said:
It's not that simple.
The office of President of the United States of American exists as a vehicle for that appointee to serve the people of America. "Becoming President" is not an achievement of merit, merely the journey to becoming a servant of the people, to act as a figurehead for democracy and popular consent. Trump, unlike any other President before him has made being President all about him, with the people serving him.. Quite the opposite of how the role is defined in the constitution and laws of America. He is no only concentrating on saving his own skin, trying to remain for another term in the office so as to keep his power over the people. We use the word 'Dictator' when the power and attitude of such roles is reversed in this fashion.
It is that simple because Trump doesn't give a solitary fThe office of President of the United States of American exists as a vehicle for that appointee to serve the people of America. "Becoming President" is not an achievement of merit, merely the journey to becoming a servant of the people, to act as a figurehead for democracy and popular consent. Trump, unlike any other President before him has made being President all about him, with the people serving him.. Quite the opposite of how the role is defined in the constitution and laws of America. He is no only concentrating on saving his own skin, trying to remain for another term in the office so as to keep his power over the people. We use the word 'Dictator' when the power and attitude of such roles is reversed in this fashion.
k about anything you've said. Success for him was getting elected and further success would he staying in power.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff