45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
Discussion
mikebradford said:
Were the witnesses they are wanting to call named in earlier proceedings before it went to this house?
I've looked at a few articles but cant seem to see the answer.
Mitch McConnell said from the outset he wasn't going to allow witnesses. It didn't matter whether the Dems named them or not, McConnells plan had always been to block block block, something he is very good at.I've looked at a few articles but cant seem to see the answer.
Yesterday's repeated amendment votes confirmed this.
One democrat listed the 17 or so other times there have been trials in the senate, during each and every one witnesses were called. Don't need them this time though, the call was perfect. Trump is innocent.
McConnell did suffer some losses yesterday which were not insignificant. Here's a useful summary of the day, it will be updated daily throughout the process.
https://www.impeachment.fyi/
Eric Mc said:
I think the problem is that there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to Senate Impeachment Hearings - only conventions. How the hearings are conducted is down to the leader of the Senate - which is of course, Mitch McConnell.
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
If a president has deemed to do something which is classed as impeachable then they should go down this process, even if they know it will die in the senate. The House impeaches the president, so Trump has now been impeached and that will go down in the record books. Long term will this benefit or hinder the democrats in 2020 elections I dont know. It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Eric Mc said:
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election. I am having fun watching some this, i could type in a response to much of the drivel being written,
i don’t need to though when Rep. Louie Gohmert spells it out:
https://youtu.be/H8CDaHSUjcM
Carl_Manchester said:
Eric Mc said:
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election. I am having fun watching some this, i could type in a response to much of the drivel being written,
i don’t need to though when Rep. Louie Gohmert spells it out:
https://youtu.be/H8CDaHSUjcM
Louie Gohmert is not the brightest in the GOP.
Challo said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Eric Mc said:
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election. I am having fun watching some this, i could type in a response to much of the drivel being written,
i don’t need to though when Rep. Louie Gohmert spells it out:
https://youtu.be/H8CDaHSUjcM
Louie Gohmert is not the brightest in the GOP.
Carl_Manchester said:
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election.
I am having fun watching some this, i could type in a response to much of the drivel being written,
i don’t need to though when Rep. Louie Gohmert spells it out:
https://youtu.be/H8CDaHSUjcM
Seems like classic diversion and whataboutery tactics to me.I am having fun watching some this, i could type in a response to much of the drivel being written,
i don’t need to though when Rep. Louie Gohmert spells it out:
https://youtu.be/H8CDaHSUjcM
Carl_Manchester said:
Eric Mc said:
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election. The Democrat strategy has always recognised that they don't have the votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office. If you think they can't count to 67, you're wasting your time trying to follow what's going on.
The Democrat strategy has been (a) show American voters that Trump is a crook; (b) show the same voters that the Republicans, both in Congress and in the Senate, are willing to cover up Trump's dishonesty, and put party before country.
The strategy isn't aimed at those voters who Trump calls his base - the core Republican voters who vote Republican just because. It's aimed at the swing voters. As I posted last week, Trump's win of the electoral college in 2016 hinged on a bare 39,000 voters across three key states (PA, MI, WI). Assuming both side mobilise their bases, it's always the swing voters who decide the presidency.
This is precisely why the Republicans have been trying throughout this process to pretend there is nothing in it. They understand the optics of it to the voters, and they realise the second that they get down in the weeds and fight the charges on their merits, they are totally screwed - not because Trump will be impeached, but because they will be seen as corrupting the process.
The question remains: who has gambled correctly? The Democrats, trusting that the swing voters will see the wrongdoing and the cover up, or the Republicans, trusting that the swing voters will see a baseless smear?
BlackTails said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Eric Mc said:
It was always going to be like this and it does beg the question as to why the Democrats bothered to go down this path.
Because the Democrats are being run by idiots. The republicans are enjoying the slow death of this process and with it, the democrats chances in the election. The Democrat strategy has always recognised that they don't have the votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office. If you think they can't count to 67, you're wasting your time trying to follow what's going on.
The Democrat strategy has been (a) show American voters that Trump is a crook; (b) show the same voters that the Republicans, both in Congress and in the Senate, are willing to cover up Trump's dishonesty, and put party before country.
The strategy isn't aimed at those voters who Trump calls his base - the core Republican voters who vote Republican just because. It's aimed at the swing voters. As I posted last week, Trump's win of the electoral college in 2016 hinged on a bare 39,000 voters across three key states (PA, MI, WI). Assuming both side mobilise their bases, it's always the swing voters who decide the presidency.
This is precisely why the Republicans have been trying throughout this process to pretend there is nothing in it. They understand the optics of it to the voters, and they realise the second that they get down in the weeds and fight the charges on their merits, they are totally screwed - not because Trump will be impeached, but because they will be seen as corrupting the process.
The question remains: who has gambled correctly? The Democrats, trusting that the swing voters will see the wrongdoing and the cover up, or the Republicans, trusting that the swing voters will see a baseless smear?
Mohamed bin Salman was looking at Jeff Bezos' hacked emails, discovered Bezos had been privately warned via email about Saudi hacking, and sending Bezos a message telling him to ignore that warning he got?
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https://www.ft.com/content/83dcdf74-3c9b-11ea-a01a...
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https://www.ft.com/content/83dcdf74-3c9b-11ea-a01a...
Sn1ckers said:
Judge Roberts, whilst intervening in a squabble between Dems and GOP Senators last night, referred to the House as the greatest deliberative body in the world.
Surely all recent evidence would point to the contrary?
Haha I just saw that.Surely all recent evidence would point to the contrary?
Wtf are they smoking?
They are about to show the world just how broken their system actually is!
Even ours works better that that when it's not working (see last 3 yrs etc).
It's on BBC Parliament now for some reason. I've not been paying attention but I've had it on for the last half hour. It's just Adam Schiff droning on repeating the same thing over and over again, it bears no resemblance to any Court proceeding I've ever seen before.
Usually it's "This is the law, this is what this guy did and this is why that breaks the law." Here he's going on about Russian democracy and showing clips of Trump speeches, I don't know what it is, but it's bizarre.
He's basically having a paddy because the world doesn't agree with his politics. He's going to have a shock when this action leads to Trump winning again later this year I fear.
Usually it's "This is the law, this is what this guy did and this is why that breaks the law." Here he's going on about Russian democracy and showing clips of Trump speeches, I don't know what it is, but it's bizarre.
He's basically having a paddy because the world doesn't agree with his politics. He's going to have a shock when this action leads to Trump winning again later this year I fear.
D.C.'s Attorney General has sued Trump's inaugural committee and business, alleging the committee violated its nonprofit status by spending more than $1 million to book a ballroom at Trump's D.C. hotel that staff knew was overpriced & that it barely used.
"These charges were unreasonable and improperly served to enrich" Trump's business, reads the complaint.
He alleges that Trump and his daughter, Ivanka Trump, were likely aware of the charges, based on documents Racine subpoenaed from the committee and the Trump Organization
"These charges were unreasonable and improperly served to enrich" Trump's business, reads the complaint.
He alleges that Trump and his daughter, Ivanka Trump, were likely aware of the charges, based on documents Racine subpoenaed from the committee and the Trump Organization
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