45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 7)
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walm said:
I think you are smoking crack.
Civil service fast track was completely PACKED with Public School bods when I looked at it in the early 00s.
She specifically referenced 1980s - when it would have been FAR worse.
GCHQ and the Foreign Office focused strongly on Oxbridge, London and the red brick unis which are famous for offering places to state educated northerners... oh wait!
I was at a Russell Group university back in the day and it had plenty of state educated northerners. It still has. Other types also, including posh kids from posh schools, but not wall to wall.Civil service fast track was completely PACKED with Public School bods when I looked at it in the early 00s.
She specifically referenced 1980s - when it would have been FAR worse.
GCHQ and the Foreign Office focused strongly on Oxbridge, London and the red brick unis which are famous for offering places to state educated northerners... oh wait!
Breadvan72 said:
I was at a Russell Group university back in the day and it had plenty of state educated northerners. It still has. Other types also, including posh kids from posh schools, but not wall to wall.
Eh, mine was in the late 90s. I was the token northerner, and one of the few comp. escapees. Back to the subject of sons of leading political figures holding suspect jobs....
https://theweek.com/speedreads/879218/rudy-giulian...
https://theweek.com/speedreads/879218/rudy-giulian...
I think what needs to be remembered in all this is that trump conspired with the russians to win the 2016 election, spent two tears berating Jeff Sessions to help cover it up and then fired him when he wouldn't. He then appointed Barr who has done everything and more to obstruct investigations.
Having done that and not learnt, trump then tried to bribe the Ukrainians to help with the 2020 election by smearing Biden, for which the current impeachment investigations are running. It should however also be remembered that Barr approached the Italians and the Australians (and some say the UK) to help do the same.
This impeachment shouldn't be unexpected, it's just Ukraine where trump and team trump got too cocky and provided a trail of evidence. That's not all he's guilty of, it's just the easiest to prove.
Having done that and not learnt, trump then tried to bribe the Ukrainians to help with the 2020 election by smearing Biden, for which the current impeachment investigations are running. It should however also be remembered that Barr approached the Italians and the Australians (and some say the UK) to help do the same.
This impeachment shouldn't be unexpected, it's just Ukraine where trump and team trump got too cocky and provided a trail of evidence. That's not all he's guilty of, it's just the easiest to prove.
Trumps tax returns were subpoenaed in April and still the fight for them goes on...
Manhattan prosecutors and lawyers for a House committee urged the Supreme Court on Thursday not to block a pair of subpoenas directing President Donald Trump's accounting firm to turn over several years' worth of financial documents.
They're likely to produce the first response by the Supreme Court to the growing number of legal battles over access to Trump's financial secrets.
The Democratic majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a subpoena in April, ordering the accounting firm Mazars to turn over Trump-related financial documents covering 2011 through 2018. The committee said it acted after former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen testified that "Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/hou...
Lower courts have rejected all attempts by trump to block the subpoena, so Trump's lawyers are taking it to the Supreme Court
Manhattan prosecutors and lawyers for a House committee urged the Supreme Court on Thursday not to block a pair of subpoenas directing President Donald Trump's accounting firm to turn over several years' worth of financial documents.
They're likely to produce the first response by the Supreme Court to the growing number of legal battles over access to Trump's financial secrets.
The Democratic majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a subpoena in April, ordering the accounting firm Mazars to turn over Trump-related financial documents covering 2011 through 2018. The committee said it acted after former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen testified that "Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/hou...
Lower courts have rejected all attempts by trump to block the subpoena, so Trump's lawyers are taking it to the Supreme Court
paulguitar said:
Jazzer77 said:
Adam Schiff is an impressive individual.
Slow , steady and methodical. History will judge him well.
I agree, quite how he can remain as calm as he does when confronted with such relentless fSlow , steady and methodical. History will judge him well.
kwittery is truly impressive.Swamp news
The Secret Service spent more than a quarter of a million dollars at President Donald Trump’s properties over the course of five months in 2017, newly released documents show.
The documents outline Secret Service credit card expenditures for Trump properties and businesses between Jan. 27 and June 9, 2017, and were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request via the nonprofit watchdog group Property of the People.
The expenditures — amounting to $254,020.94 in total — raise new questions about the extent to which Trump is personally profiting from the federal government, which is prohibited by the Constitution’s Domestic Emoluments Clause. The president has called the provision “phony,” and his lawyers have argued that it only bars him from receiving compensation as part of “an employment-type relationship” with a foreign or domestic government.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/21/secret-se...
Remember trump has refused to divest himself from his businesses (remember the pile of blank paper he produced) whilst doing his best to drive government and foreign money to his businesses.
The Secret Service spent more than a quarter of a million dollars at President Donald Trump’s properties over the course of five months in 2017, newly released documents show.
The documents outline Secret Service credit card expenditures for Trump properties and businesses between Jan. 27 and June 9, 2017, and were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request via the nonprofit watchdog group Property of the People.
The expenditures — amounting to $254,020.94 in total — raise new questions about the extent to which Trump is personally profiting from the federal government, which is prohibited by the Constitution’s Domestic Emoluments Clause. The president has called the provision “phony,” and his lawyers have argued that it only bars him from receiving compensation as part of “an employment-type relationship” with a foreign or domestic government.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/21/secret-se...
Remember trump has refused to divest himself from his businesses (remember the pile of blank paper he produced) whilst doing his best to drive government and foreign money to his businesses.
Looks like Parnas could be an interesting witness...
So we were discussing how Nunes is constantly bringing up Muller report, etc.
Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, helped arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Rep. Devin Nunes in 2018, Parnas’ lawyer Ed MacMahon told The Daily Beast.
Nunes aide Derek Harvey participated in the meetings, the lawyer said, which were arranged to help Nunes’ investigative work. MacMahon didn’t specify what those investigations entailed.
Nunes is the top Republican on the House committee handling the impeachment hearings—hearings where Parnas’ name has repeatedly come up.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-helped-re...
Then yesterday we also discovered that Parnas was involved in the Ukraine meetings...
When Rudy Giuliani met with a senior Ukrainian official in Madrid earlier this year and urged him to investigate the Bidens, Lev Parnas was at the table, according to Andriy Yermak, the Ukrainian official.
Parnas’ presence at the meeting, which has not been previously reported, indicates that he may have significant visibility into Giuliani’s efforts to pressure Kyiv to investigate a company linked to one of President Donald Trump’s political rivals. That pressure campaign is a central focus of congressional Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. Parnas was charged with campaign finance violations last month.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-attended-...
What are the chances of that, both Nunes and Giuliani.....
So we were discussing how Nunes is constantly bringing up Muller report, etc.
Lev Parnas, an indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani, helped arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Rep. Devin Nunes in 2018, Parnas’ lawyer Ed MacMahon told The Daily Beast.
Nunes aide Derek Harvey participated in the meetings, the lawyer said, which were arranged to help Nunes’ investigative work. MacMahon didn’t specify what those investigations entailed.
Nunes is the top Republican on the House committee handling the impeachment hearings—hearings where Parnas’ name has repeatedly come up.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-helped-re...
Then yesterday we also discovered that Parnas was involved in the Ukraine meetings...
When Rudy Giuliani met with a senior Ukrainian official in Madrid earlier this year and urged him to investigate the Bidens, Lev Parnas was at the table, according to Andriy Yermak, the Ukrainian official.
Parnas’ presence at the meeting, which has not been previously reported, indicates that he may have significant visibility into Giuliani’s efforts to pressure Kyiv to investigate a company linked to one of President Donald Trump’s political rivals. That pressure campaign is a central focus of congressional Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. Parnas was charged with campaign finance violations last month.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lev-parnas-attended-...
What are the chances of that, both Nunes and Giuliani.....
CNN have a report of Barrs counter report, sorry Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's review of the FBI's effort to obtain warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fi...
A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance. Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.
but I bet those are ignored....
Barr will probably announce that this FBI official (a low level lawyer) was criminally conspiring against the Trump 2016 campaign. and trump will spin it as proof that the “Deep State” was out to get him from the start, just as he did after Barr falsely leaked that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was being indicted.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fi...
A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance. Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.
but I bet those are ignored....
Barr will probably announce that this FBI official (a low level lawyer) was criminally conspiring against the Trump 2016 campaign. and trump will spin it as proof that the “Deep State” was out to get him from the start, just as he did after Barr falsely leaked that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was being indicted.
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 22 November 07:45
zygalski said:
1. Trump won't be impeached.
2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
1. Interesting, what currently is happening that makes you have that slightly different opinion? The senate not passing it? It is all fake and a hoax? The reason the people who think he will have layed it out pretty comprehensively in more than one 4 word sentence.2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
2. Think you are conflating two things here. Not liking someone's actions, behaviour or character and would like to see them held to account doesn't mean they are wound up. Can you show what you mean, I have missed it.
Also not all threads are inhabited by the same people. Not are those people the same. There are conservatives and liberals in this thread. Some in England some in America. Other thread have different people in them, some people from here post elsewhere.
You do not speak for me when you make that statement FYI. There is a majority of Americans who are against the idea of "gun waving NRA members" and the implication that is meant by it. So why do you feel people here would be like that?
So much stated as fact, so many questions.
Fiona Hill publicly testified yesterday that she angrily confronted Gordon Sondland when she thought that he was playing games with U.S. policy toward Ukraine.
That’s when Sondland tried to defend himself by explaining that his orders were coming from people at the top, like Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo and she realised that Sondland hadn’t gone rogue, this was driven by trump and his entire administration.
Having watched Sondland testify to the committee about his contacts with Trump and other senior members of the Administration, she said, she now felt very differently about Sondland’s attitude and his behavior. “He was absolutely right,” she said. “Because he was being involved in a domestic political errand and we were being involved in national-security foreign policy, and those two things had just diverged. So he was correct. I had not put my finger on that at the moment, but I was irritated with him and angry with him that he wasn’t fully coördinating. And I did say to him, ‘Ambassador Sondland, Gordon, I think this is also going to blow up.’ And here we are.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-...
The other brilliant part was after Nunes pushed again the conspiracy theory that it was the Ukranians not the russians who interfered in the 2016 elections, she dismantled his argument.
Hill called it “a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves”.
The previous day, Putin, unable to contain his glee, had told an economic forum in the Russian capital: “Thank God, no one is accusing us of interfering in the US elections any more; now they’re accusing Ukraine.”
Hill appealed to her inquisitors: “I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests.”
Devin Nunes, the ranking Republican on the committee, bridled at her remarks – unsurprisingly, as his role throughout the proceedings has been to propagate the conspiracy theory that Hill was talking about. Nunes insisted that Republicans had produced their own report about Russian interference and it was quite possible that two foreign governments had meddled.
In her answers to the initial round of questions, Hill took that argument apart. The judgment that Russia had successfully intervened in the election was underpinned by the consensus of the US intelligence agencies, and was based on facts, many of them in the public domain. The Ukraine story was built on falsehoods, many of them propagated through social media by the Kremlin.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/fi...
There's no way now that the GOP or trump can claim that Sondland or Giuliani had gone rogue - we've now additional testimony the orders came from trump and he was heavily involved. It also proves Sondland is still lying, still trying to cover up his involvement and the whole premise that it was Ukraine cannot be continued.
That’s when Sondland tried to defend himself by explaining that his orders were coming from people at the top, like Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo and she realised that Sondland hadn’t gone rogue, this was driven by trump and his entire administration.
Having watched Sondland testify to the committee about his contacts with Trump and other senior members of the Administration, she said, she now felt very differently about Sondland’s attitude and his behavior. “He was absolutely right,” she said. “Because he was being involved in a domestic political errand and we were being involved in national-security foreign policy, and those two things had just diverged. So he was correct. I had not put my finger on that at the moment, but I was irritated with him and angry with him that he wasn’t fully coördinating. And I did say to him, ‘Ambassador Sondland, Gordon, I think this is also going to blow up.’ And here we are.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-...
The other brilliant part was after Nunes pushed again the conspiracy theory that it was the Ukranians not the russians who interfered in the 2016 elections, she dismantled his argument.
Hill called it “a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves”.
The previous day, Putin, unable to contain his glee, had told an economic forum in the Russian capital: “Thank God, no one is accusing us of interfering in the US elections any more; now they’re accusing Ukraine.”
Hill appealed to her inquisitors: “I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests.”
Devin Nunes, the ranking Republican on the committee, bridled at her remarks – unsurprisingly, as his role throughout the proceedings has been to propagate the conspiracy theory that Hill was talking about. Nunes insisted that Republicans had produced their own report about Russian interference and it was quite possible that two foreign governments had meddled.
In her answers to the initial round of questions, Hill took that argument apart. The judgment that Russia had successfully intervened in the election was underpinned by the consensus of the US intelligence agencies, and was based on facts, many of them in the public domain. The Ukraine story was built on falsehoods, many of them propagated through social media by the Kremlin.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/fi...
There's no way now that the GOP or trump can claim that Sondland or Giuliani had gone rogue - we've now additional testimony the orders came from trump and he was heavily involved. It also proves Sondland is still lying, still trying to cover up his involvement and the whole premise that it was Ukraine cannot be continued.
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 22 November 07:55
zygalski said:
1. Trump won't be impeached.
2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
1. Trump likely will be impeached, but not removed from office.2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
2. You'd be a school shooter, judging by something someone else that wasn't you said that wasn't about you on another thread somewhere else.
zygalski said:
1. Trump won't be impeached.
2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
Actually he will be impeached (that's the bit done by congress IIRC) - the senate just won't convict him.2. Don't know why you lot are getting so wound up. You'd all be flag waving NRA members if you'd been born in the US, judging by pretty much every other thread on N,P&E.
I think the people on here are generally different to the average NP&E contributor.
WH chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has retained former DOJ official Bob Driscoll to represent him.
In 2018, Driscoll represented Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to acting as a Russian agent. Butina was released from prison last month and deported back to russia where she received a heros welcome.
Under trumps instruction, Mulvaney held up $400 million in order to spread Russian disinformation about Ukraine. He hired the right lawyer.
In 2018, Driscoll represented Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to acting as a Russian agent. Butina was released from prison last month and deported back to russia where she received a heros welcome.
Under trumps instruction, Mulvaney held up $400 million in order to spread Russian disinformation about Ukraine. He hired the right lawyer.
Byker28i said:
WH chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has retained former DOJ official Bob Driscoll to represent him.
In 2018, Driscoll represented Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to acting as a Russian agent. Butina was released from prison last month and deported back to russia where she received a heros welcome.
Under trumps instruction, Mulvaney held up $400 million in order to spread Russian disinformation about Ukraine. He hired the right lawyer.
Are we ready for Mulvaney ducking, diving and outright dodging the questions and refusing to answer all or most?In 2018, Driscoll represented Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to acting as a Russian agent. Butina was released from prison last month and deported back to russia where she received a heros welcome.
Under trumps instruction, Mulvaney held up $400 million in order to spread Russian disinformation about Ukraine. He hired the right lawyer.
I would absolutely love it if he pled the 5th and refused to incriminate himself; alarm bells would go off all over the WH as he would be throwing Trump under the bus
Realistically though, he will refer to his lawyer on all the harder questions and just say that his legal counsel has recommended he not answer etc etc.
When is he testifying again and will it all end with the oft used phrase "I hardly knew the guy but there may be photos of us together, maybe a few - everybody wants my photo"
I think Mulvaney has engaged him as he fights the subpona
Meanwhile John Bolton has returned to twitter - with lots of calls of "Testify"
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/119786230...
Meanwhile John Bolton has returned to twitter - with lots of calls of "Testify"
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/119786230...
Byker28i said:
CNN have a report of Barrs counter report, sorry Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's review of the FBI's effort to obtain warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act on Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fi...
A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance. Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.
but I bet those are ignored....
Barr will probably announce that this FBI official (a low level lawyer) was criminally conspiring against the Trump 2016 campaign. and trump will spin it as proof that the “Deep State” was out to get him from the start, just as he did after Barr falsely leaked that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was being indicted.
[The low-level FBI lawyer’s alleged misconduct] did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.”https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fi...
A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance. Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.
but I bet those are ignored....
Barr will probably announce that this FBI official (a low level lawyer) was criminally conspiring against the Trump 2016 campaign. and trump will spin it as proof that the “Deep State” was out to get him from the start, just as he did after Barr falsely leaked that former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was being indicted.
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 22 November 07:45
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/i...
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