New drivers could be banned from driving at night BBC
Discussion
This is most, most stupid IMO. around 75% of accidents happen between 6am and 6pm. They didn't mention that stat as it obviously doesn't fit their narrative.
I'm also tired of the powers that be considering "young drivers" and "newly qualified drivers" to be exactly the same thing. I passed less than a year ago (and I'm close to 40).
I've always personally thought that night driving should be a mandated part of learning and potentially the test itself. I've always felt the same about motorway driving too.
Once again as is often in this country, when there is a need for education, instead a ban/restriction has been reached for (it costs nothing to implement and opens up yet another revenue stream in fines). Utter utter stupidity.
I'm also tired of the powers that be considering "young drivers" and "newly qualified drivers" to be exactly the same thing. I passed less than a year ago (and I'm close to 40).
I've always personally thought that night driving should be a mandated part of learning and potentially the test itself. I've always felt the same about motorway driving too.
Once again as is often in this country, when there is a need for education, instead a ban/restriction has been reached for (it costs nothing to implement and opens up yet another revenue stream in fines). Utter utter stupidity.
untakenname said:
What happens at winter time?
Many here seem to be conflating night time with driving after sunset.In winter, when the sun sets at 4pm, it is still the afternoon, and there is then all evening to go before you get to night time. Therefore winter driving shouldn't be a problem if the curfew is set to "night" times, say between 23.00-05.00.
Personally, I don't particularly agree that such a curfew idea will see a large reduction in accidents but presumably there is some evidence that driving at night poses a real risk.
markyb_lcy said:
This is most, most stupid IMO. around 75% of accidents happen between 6am and 6pm. They didn't mention that stat as it obviously doesn't fit their narrative.
I'm also tired of the powers that be considering "young drivers" and "newly qualified drivers" to be exactly the same thing. I passed less than a year ago (and I'm close to 40).
I've always personally thought that night driving should be a mandated part of learning and potentially the test itself. I've always felt the same about motorway driving too.
Once again as is often in this country, when there is a need for education, instead a ban/restriction has been reached for (it costs nothing to implement and opens up yet another revenue stream in fines). Utter utter stupidity.
It seems to be broadly accepted for motorcycles to have a series of tests and age-related limitations before you can get your full licence, why not the same for cars?I'm also tired of the powers that be considering "young drivers" and "newly qualified drivers" to be exactly the same thing. I passed less than a year ago (and I'm close to 40).
I've always personally thought that night driving should be a mandated part of learning and potentially the test itself. I've always felt the same about motorway driving too.
Once again as is often in this country, when there is a need for education, instead a ban/restriction has been reached for (it costs nothing to implement and opens up yet another revenue stream in fines). Utter utter stupidity.
So you could do theory and practical tests and get a licence at 17
A 19 you could do a night driving test and your licence extended
Then at 21 you'd be allowed to do a motorway test and extend the licence to that
Finally at 23 you could complete your driver training and be allowed to carry more than one passenger in the car with you...
Or something like that.
markyb_lcy said:
This is most, most stupid IMO. around 75% of accidents happen between 6am and 6pm. They didn't mention that stat as it obviously doesn't fit their narrative.
They didn't mention it because it's not relevant. They are targeting KSI accidents involving young drivers. Anyone who knows South Bucks, the all to common "4 killed on A413 on way home from Winkers" accident. It's about as relevant as banning all newly qualified drivers from driving in the dark/evening (a part of driving that is different from test conditions and a rite of passage to becoming an experienced driver) whilst clearly identifying young drivers (by person's age) as being the problem.
boyse7en said:
It seems to be broadly accepted for motorcycles to have a series of tests and age-related limitations before you can get your full licence, why not the same for cars?
So you could do theory and practical tests and get a licence at 17
A 19 you could do a night driving test and your licence extended
Then at 21 you'd be allowed to do a motorway test and extend the licence to that
Finally at 23 you could complete your driver training and be allowed to carry more than one passenger in the car with you...
Or something like that.
6 years of driving before being able to carry a passenger? That sounds fantastic for the congestion on our roads and the environment!So you could do theory and practical tests and get a licence at 17
A 19 you could do a night driving test and your licence extended
Then at 21 you'd be allowed to do a motorway test and extend the licence to that
Finally at 23 you could complete your driver training and be allowed to carry more than one passenger in the car with you...
Or something like that.
I do think your idea (maybe with shorter timelines) is substantially better than what is being proposed tho as it at least targets the drivers that have been identified as the problem. I guess you thought of this on your own, in just a few minutes, without any professional responsibility to do so, which to me shows how little thought has been put into the original idea.
Personally can't see this happening.
mat205125 said:
It'll never happen.
It would be counter productive, as it would mean that there'd be young drivers chasing the sunset like a motoring hoard of reverse-vampires, to get home and off the road before nightfall. That'd cause more accidents than it prevented.
It'd mean that a new driver who wanted to work a 09:00 to 17:00 shift in the winter, couldn't use a car to commute given the short daylight times.
and given they're talking about under 25's (or at least they were on LBC this morning) what about emergency response drivers? Shift workers? Carers?It would be counter productive, as it would mean that there'd be young drivers chasing the sunset like a motoring hoard of reverse-vampires, to get home and off the road before nightfall. That'd cause more accidents than it prevented.
It'd mean that a new driver who wanted to work a 09:00 to 17:00 shift in the winter, couldn't use a car to commute given the short daylight times.
Absolutely bonkers idea - and pretty much unenforceable. Maybe a power limit graduated to age - but let's be honest even a smart car can be driven like a rally car....
milfordkong said:
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
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Was for me !.
All the road rally's in wales were at night
As someone said earlier, it'll be a set times thing when people have time to play and there is less traffic. Plus hitting pubs and clubs.
Coming home from work at sunset is going to be rush hour so less chance of high speed Tom foolery.
It's at night when you get the nobbers doing 80 in a 30 and ending up upside down.
Happens often here on a road that's gridlocked during the day and a pretty tight squeeze at night.
Coming home from work at sunset is going to be rush hour so less chance of high speed Tom foolery.
It's at night when you get the nobbers doing 80 in a 30 and ending up upside down.
Happens often here on a road that's gridlocked during the day and a pretty tight squeeze at night.
Daniel1 said:
milfordkong said:
I don't think driving in the dark was any more dangerous for me or those around me at 17 than driving in the day was .... The problem here is really the attitude to risk and the enthusiasm for both thrill-seeking and showing off that is fairly inherent in young men the world over.
I'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
thats the issue not the aspect of actually driving at nightI'm not at all sure what the solution is to that though.
i was a hooligan when i passed my test at 17. I really did think i was Colin McRae. I had a near miss and spun my car, luckily not hitting anything or anybody. I think education is the key. Show people car accidents, dead bodies if need be. It has finally started working on smoking, what with pictures of people dying, diseased lungs etc.
Mandat said:
Many here seem to be conflating night time with driving after sunset.
In winter, when the sun sets at 4pm, it is still the afternoon, and there is then all evening to go before you get to night time. Therefore winter driving shouldn't be a problem if the curfew is set to "night" times, say between 23.00-05.00.
Personally, I don't particularly agree that such a curfew idea will see a large reduction in accidents but presumably there is some evidence that driving at night poses a real risk.
What about during a total eclipse on the sun or a volcanic eruption?In winter, when the sun sets at 4pm, it is still the afternoon, and there is then all evening to go before you get to night time. Therefore winter driving shouldn't be a problem if the curfew is set to "night" times, say between 23.00-05.00.
Personally, I don't particularly agree that such a curfew idea will see a large reduction in accidents but presumably there is some evidence that driving at night poses a real risk.
Some kind of restriction on power maybe a good idea for new drivers? I learnt to drive in Italy and they had such a system, they also had such a system for Motorcycles limiting riders by age to a maximum engine size which did make some sense.
But, of course when our inept shower of s
te legislators bring in something similar they make a total pig's ear of it, they did it with bike licences and it seems they might do something as stupid for cars.
All part of the 'hostile environment' of today I suppose...
But, of course when our inept shower of s
te legislators bring in something similar they make a total pig's ear of it, they did it with bike licences and it seems they might do something as stupid for cars.All part of the 'hostile environment' of today I suppose...
frisbee said:
Mandat said:
Many here seem to be conflating night time with driving after sunset.
In winter, when the sun sets at 4pm, it is still the afternoon, and there is then all evening to go before you get to night time. Therefore winter driving shouldn't be a problem if the curfew is set to "night" times, say between 23.00-05.00.
Personally, I don't particularly agree that such a curfew idea will see a large reduction in accidents but presumably there is some evidence that driving at night poses a real risk.
What about during a total eclipse on the sun or a volcanic eruption?In winter, when the sun sets at 4pm, it is still the afternoon, and there is then all evening to go before you get to night time. Therefore winter driving shouldn't be a problem if the curfew is set to "night" times, say between 23.00-05.00.
Personally, I don't particularly agree that such a curfew idea will see a large reduction in accidents but presumably there is some evidence that driving at night poses a real risk.
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