Philip Hammond complete c*ck or principled politico?

[Taylor James]

Robertj21a said:

Hammond and Duncan are now yesterday's men and I doubt that many will be too upset by their departure. We need a new breed of positive thinkers who can get on with the job, not whinge and moan about everything.

I think it will be interesting to have a different narrative. It's hard to dispute that for the last three years it has all been doom and gloom, all very difficult, best of a bad job and so on.

So to hear some positive forecasting will make a pleasant change although I wonder how the MSM will relay it, having been in mostly in 'in spite of Brexit' or 'due to Brexit' mode whilst the negative drip drip drip has been the norm.

I heard that Boris requires some sort of undertaking from cabinet members confirming they will support a no-deal exit. That could transform the cabinet. How many of the existing group do we expect to go, whether resigning or sacked?

[Julian Thompson]

dandarez said:

All the above Remoaners saying Hammond is 'principled'...

One reason - one reason only - they are siding with 'principled' - because he is a Remoaner, he's on their side.

The man is neither principled (far from it!) nor is he a cock, he is simply a crafty, extremely rich (ie: read multimillionaire), EU loving Remainer and constant Remoaner.

Have you Remainers forgotten the C4 Dispatches programme about housing that outed him almost 2 yrs ago to date?

Crafty Phil bought 3 acres of greenbelt land next to his home from a 'Housebuilder/developer' for c.£100k, then strikes up an agreement (to last to 2028) whereby should the land become available for 'development', he (Hammond) and the same Housebuilder could each make up to £3M each!

Surprise, surprise, he didn't declare it on the MPs Register of Interests. Principled?

And what did former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Sir Alistair Graham, think of it? He said he believed any such arrangements as Mr Hammond’s should always be publicly declared.

He certainly knows how to make or rather keep his money - he 'avoided' thousand of pounds in tax after transferring his share of a £600,000 buy-to-let property to his wife in 2014. Above board, but crafty.

Principled? Pah!

Good riddance.

Hang on though. Those same rules are available to you if you have the clout to negotiate those deals. If it’s above board it’s above board. End.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Taylor James said:

I heard that Boris requires some sort of undertaking from cabinet members confirming they will support a no-deal exit. That could transform the cabinet. How many of the existing group do we expect to go, whether resigning or sacked?

You would think pretty much of all of them.

Since at least Chequers it has been obvious from outside the cabinet that May had no intention of leaving with no deal, would prefer her bad deal, and would actually much rather remain if she could. Anyone currently in the cabinet was signed up to that in some way.

[NoNeed]

techiedave said:

Oh man you are one top fella. I had almost forgotten about this grade A numb nuts Transport Minister chap.
A real cluisterfk of epic proportions.
Trains late - check
Trains cancelled - check
Northern Rail totally useless - check
Timetables gone to fk - check
What to do about it all - Sweet FA and keep stum - check

This bald is so useless he makes that Jared O' Mara look accomplished.

Every evil genius needs a sidekick like baldrick, all we need now is an evil genius.

[dandarez]

Julian Thompson said:

dandarez said:

All the above Remoaners saying Hammond is 'principled'...

One reason - one reason only - they are siding with 'principled' - because he is a Remoaner, he's on their side.

The man is neither principled (far from it!) nor is he a cock, he is simply a crafty, extremely rich (ie: read multimillionaire), EU loving Remainer and constant Remoaner.

Have you Remainers forgotten the C4 Dispatches programme about housing that outed him almost 2 yrs ago to date?

Crafty Phil bought 3 acres of greenbelt land next to his home from a 'Housebuilder/developer' for c.£100k, then strikes up an agreement (to last to 2028) whereby should the land become available for 'development', he (Hammond) and the same Housebuilder could each make up to £3M each!

Surprise, surprise, he didn't declare it on the MPs Register of Interests. Principled?

And what did former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Sir Alistair Graham, think of it? He said he believed any such arrangements as Mr Hammond’s should always be publicly declared.

He certainly knows how to make or rather keep his money - he 'avoided' thousand of pounds in tax after transferring his share of a £600,000 buy-to-let property to his wife in 2014. Above board, but crafty.

Principled? Pah!

Good riddance.

Hang on though. Those same rules are available to you if you have the clout to negotiate those deals. If it’s above board it’s above board. End.

Oh don't think I don't realise that, I actually said 'above board' in relation to his tax avoidance.
The difference is a principled person would have declared the land deal. He chose not to. That's why and how Dispatches 'got him'.
He is therefore (imo) not principled. At all.

[ClaphamGT3]

dandarez said:

Julian Thompson said:

dandarez said:

All the above Remoaners saying Hammond is 'principled'...

One reason - one reason only - they are siding with 'principled' - because he is a Remoaner, he's on their side.

The man is neither principled (far from it!) nor is he a cock, he is simply a crafty, extremely rich (ie: read multimillionaire), EU loving Remainer and constant Remoaner.

Have you Remainers forgotten the C4 Dispatches programme about housing that outed him almost 2 yrs ago to date?

Crafty Phil bought 3 acres of greenbelt land next to his home from a 'Housebuilder/developer' for c.£100k, then strikes up an agreement (to last to 2028) whereby should the land become available for 'development', he (Hammond) and the same Housebuilder could each make up to £3M each!

Surprise, surprise, he didn't declare it on the MPs Register of Interests. Principled?

And what did former chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Sir Alistair Graham, think of it? He said he believed any such arrangements as Mr Hammond’s should always be publicly declared.

He certainly knows how to make or rather keep his money - he 'avoided' thousand of pounds in tax after transferring his share of a £600,000 buy-to-let property to his wife in 2014. Above board, but crafty.

Principled? Pah!

Good riddance.

Hang on though. Those same rules are available to you if you have the clout to negotiate those deals. If it’s above board it’s above board. End.

Oh don't think I don't realise that, I actually said 'above board' in relation to his tax avoidance.
The difference is a principled person would have declared the land deal. He chose not to. That's why and how Dispatches 'got him'.
He is therefore (imo) not principled. At all.

Property developer makes money in property development shocker......

[Not-The-Messiah]

Taylor James said:

I think it will be interesting to have a different narrative. It's hard to dispute that for the last three years it has all been doom and gloom, all very difficult, best of a bad job and so on.

So to hear some positive forecasting will make a pleasant change although I wonder how the MSM will relay it, having been in mostly in 'in spite of Brexit' or 'due to Brexit' mode whilst the negative drip drip drip has been the norm.

I heard that Boris requires some sort of undertaking from cabinet members confirming they will support a no-deal exit. That could transform the cabinet. How many of the existing group do we expect to go, whether resigning or sacked?

There will be more doom and gloom if anything, it's the media that sets the agenda. If they do like something or someone they will make sure to highlight the bad bits and hide the good.

For a generation now politicians have just been reactionary puppets to the what the media types want.
It's encouraging to see that people are taking less and less attention to what the MSM want and promote. Seen by brexit and now who people are voting for. But MSM still have massive social influenceing power on your average sheep.

[Digga]

Well, given the evidence here, I think it fair to say he cannot be considered principled:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/exclus...

The Telegraph said:

Exclusive: Chancellor Philip Hammond took personal stake in food technology company months before it won share of £560,000 Government contract

Greedy idiot.

[MC Bodge]

dandarez said:

Oh don't think I don't realise that, I actually said 'above board' in relation to his tax avoidance.
The difference is a principled person would have declared the land deal. He chose not to. That's why and how Dispatches 'got him'.
He is therefore (imo) not principled. At all.

If one of the rabid loons on here did it, it would be fine, I'm sure.

[irocfan]

Digga said:

Well, given the evidence here, I think it fair to say he cannot be considered principled:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/exclus...

The Telegraph said:

Exclusive: Chancellor Philip Hammond took personal stake in food technology company months before it won share of £560,000 Government contract

Greedy idiot.

isn't that the very definition of insider trading? Any of us did that we'd be given a large fine...

[greygoose]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Graylings only accomplishment was to get traffic moving on the M20, which he did by trying to cause a traffic jam.

His accomplishment on the M20 seems to be to reduce a three lane motorway to two narrow lanes with a 50mph limit for miles which regularly gets blocked by accidents and breakdowns, the motorway is a disaster London bound on a daily basis.

[Digga]

irocfan said:

Digga said:

Well, given the evidence here, I think it fair to say he cannot be considered principled:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/exclus...

The Telegraph said:

Exclusive: Chancellor Philip Hammond took personal stake in food technology company months before it won share of £560,000 Government contract

Greedy idiot.

isn't that the very definition of insider trading? Any of us did that we'd be given a large fine...

It worries me greatly that, of the politicians who might claim to understand and have experience of business, many merely know business from the perspective of leveraging inside track on trade, grants, public sector contracts and other aspects of government.

[Blackpuddin]

Digga said:

irocfan said:

Digga said:

Well, given the evidence here, I think it fair to say he cannot be considered principled:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/exclus...

The Telegraph said:

Exclusive: Chancellor Philip Hammond took personal stake in food technology company months before it won share of £560,000 Government contract

Greedy idiot.

isn't that the very definition of insider trading? Any of us did that we'd be given a large fine...

It worries me greatly that, of the politicians who might claim to understand and have experience of business, many merely know business from the perspective of leveraging inside track on trade, grants, public sector contracts and other aspects of government.

That's the thing! The UK is just a giant business really but it's being 'run' by people with no management expertise, ie politicians. I simply don't get it. It's like asking a fork lift driver to run a dentistry.

[BevR]

Robertj21a said:

Hammond and Duncan are now yesterday's men and I doubt that many will be too upset by their departure. We need a new breed of positive thinkers who can get on with the job, not whinge and moan about everything.

There is a pretty big gulf between positive thinking and denying reality. I would wager the new cabinet is going to be falling into the latter category.

[RemyMartin81D]

NoNeed said:

techiedave said:

Oh man you are one top fella. I had almost forgotten about this grade A numb nuts Transport Minister chap.
A real cluisterfk of epic proportions.
Trains late - check
Trains cancelled - check
Northern Rail totally useless - check
Timetables gone to fk - check
What to do about it all - Sweet FA and keep stum - check

This bald is so useless he makes that Jared O' Mara look accomplished.

Every evil genius needs a sidekick like baldrick, all we need now is an evil genius.

The entire railway industry thinks Grayling is an inept . In my opinion, they aren't wrong.

[85Carrera]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Property developer makes money in property development shocker......

The issue is that he should have, but failed to, declare this as he was an MP at the time.

So the same rules do not apply - MPs are required to register such things to avoid conflicts of interest.

Hammond, for reasons known only to himself, decided he didn’t need to bother doing so, even though it is a requirement of his drawing a salary as an MP.

[Digga]

85Carrera said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Property developer makes money in property development shocker......

The issue is that he should have, but failed to, declare this as he was an MP at the time.

So the same rules do not apply - MPs are required to register such things to avoid conflicts of interest.

Hammond, for reasons known only to himself, decided he didn’t need to bother doing so, even though it is a requirement of his drawing a salary as an MP.

He's not the first MP to get his hands grubby whilst in office. IIRC there was public outcry in Hull about Prescott and his son buying places while he was in the cabinet: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/prescotts-son-l...

[bucksmanuk]

irocfan said:

Digga said:

Well, given the evidence here, I think it fair to say he cannot be considered principled:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/exclus...

The Telegraph said:

Exclusive: Chancellor Philip Hammond took personal stake in food technology company months before it won share of £560,000 Government contract

Greedy idiot.

isn't that the very definition of insider trading? Any of us did that we'd be given a large fine...

A bloke did something similar at work, not only with his share options, but with shares too. if he had made more than £10K profit, he would have had his P45 and be down the road.... as it was, just a written warning.... we were all dragged into the MD's office one at a time, all 28 of us - and told not to do something stupid like he did - again.

Hammond is an idiot thinking the rules didn't apply to him

[rev-erend]

I guess Phil will have more time to walk his dog now...

[anonymous-user]

Well stories coming out about Phil lining up to stop a No deal