Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
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p1stonhead said:
Jazzy Jag said:
garyhun said:
Burwood said:
Looks like Sajid is going to cut stamp duty. Good idea.
Got a link? All I’ve seen are reports that he’s contemplating making it the responsibility of the seller, not the purchaser.andy_s said:
FiF said:
If things go to form the usuals will condemn the link as it's to the Mail, rather than read and comment on the actual content.
Essentially it discusses the issues raised in Christophe Guilluy's book Twilight of the Elites looking at the rise of the French Gilet Jaunes and makes comparison with the UK, especially the ever increasing division between London and the Metrolitan areas and the rest of the country.
https://mol.im/a/7367993
Edited to change Haines to Jaunes
Thanks Android auto (in)correct.
Good article - I've often mentioned how students get assistance and everyone else doesn't & you can't let the gap between rich and poor get too big...we know why.Essentially it discusses the issues raised in Christophe Guilluy's book Twilight of the Elites looking at the rise of the French Gilet Jaunes and makes comparison with the UK, especially the ever increasing division between London and the Metrolitan areas and the rest of the country.
https://mol.im/a/7367993
Edited to change Haines to Jaunes
Thanks Android auto (in)correct.
Edited by FiF on Sunday 18th August 19:02
Good points, cheers.
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
tangerine_sedge said:
No it isn't it just supports the view that its someone else's fault.
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
Like nurses and builders … those who did apprenticeships or vocational courses. Those lazy people. The ones who look after you when you are ill or keep your house from falling down... Lets educate them, insist they get a degree to wipe patients arses or dig holes... genius...Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
Vanden Saab said:
tangerine_sedge said:
No it isn't it just supports the view that its someone else's fault.
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
Like nurses and builders … those who did apprenticeships or vocational courses. Those lazy people. The ones who look after you when you are ill or keep your house from falling down... Lets educate them, insist they get a degree to wipe patients arses or dig holes... genius...Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
tangerine_sedge said:
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
It is very easy to fall back on the argument that the 'left behind' people only want to blame someone, anyone, else for their poor lot. IMHO people who use the 'someone else's fault' trope do betray their lack of empathy and understanding regarding the issues involved in certain regions in the UK.......the playing field is not even for everyone.The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
Crackie said:
It is very easy to fall back on the argument that the 'left behind' people only want to blame someone, anyone, else for their poor lot. IMHO people who use the 'someone else's fault' trope do betray their lack of empathy and understanding regarding the issues involved in certain regions in the UK.......the playing field is not even for everyone.
I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
The Left Behind. I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
People who are too dumb to realise their problems have been caused by nearly 10 years of Tory Government.
Not by being members of The EU.
T-195 said:
Crackie said:
It is very easy to fall back on the argument that the 'left behind' people only want to blame someone, anyone, else for their poor lot. IMHO people who use the 'someone else's fault' trope do betray their lack of empathy and understanding regarding the issues involved in certain regions in the UK.......the playing field is not even for everyone.
I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
The Left Behind. I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
People who are too dumb to realise their problems have been caused by nearly 10 years of Tory Government.
Not by being members of The EU.
Some people are too thick to realise that at the point of the referendum the Tories had just over 1 year in office and 5 as a coalition but still don't let fact get in the way
Edited by Mr Penfold on Monday 19th August 11:04
Vanden Saab said:
Like nurses and builders … those who did apprenticeships or vocational courses. Those lazy people. The ones who look after you when you are ill or keep your house from falling down... Lets educate them, insist they get a degree to wipe patients arses or dig holes... genius...
Builders and nurses are skilled jobs, I’m not sure that the post was referring to them, nor did he seem to suggest they need degrees. Nurses now have to fund their training since bursery’s were dropped. I agree with his general point that our future health and wealth relies on having a well educated population, but that doesn’t require every citizen to hold a degree, that would be ridiculous. andy_s said:
Yeah - that's what I was getting at and a bit confused as I live in Scotland where students get about £27K of assistance as the fees are paid by govt. but nothing for the chippies, sparks, brickies, etc of the world who actually physically do something constructive.
AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
Why should chippies etc get assistance? Aren't they getting paid? AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
Given the complexity of modern nurses job - i used to go out with one for 4 years, so have a good idea - why shouldn't it be degree educated?
tangerine_sedge said:
No it isn't it just supports the view that its someone else's fault.
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
The "let them eat cake" argument in all it's glory.Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
These people don't think like me, therefore they should be forced to adopt my lifestyle/be re-educated until they do think like me.
tangerine_sedge said:
No it isn't it just supports the view that its someone else's fault.
Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
Having just re-read that for a second time, I'm wondering if you now think it should have been worded differently ?Students get little assistance, its criminal that someone intending to better themselves and the country (graduates are more likely to be tax contributors than takers) get little assistance whilst the feckless get benefits for sitting at home pushing out more dependents.
The 'left behind' are the people who are least capable to change in a globalised world, I.e. the worst educated, and the people most unwilling to change. The UK cannot stop globalisation, and the standard of living differential means we cannot compete directly with less developed nations for those unskilled jobs. In fact its pointless to do so as automation will destroy those jobs anyway in the medium term.
The only option is to have an educated workforce doing jobs that are difficult to automate. That way we will not he competing directly with places like Asia and in the near future Africa. In principal we need MORE well educated aspirant middle classes and fewer people who can be 'left behind'.
Of course, politically it's easier to get poorly educated and lazy people to vote for you by blaming someone else, in this case the nebulous group labeled the 'elites'. Fixing the actual problem is much more difficult.
The question is what we do with those people who are either unwilling or unable to change? I suggest Soylent Green
You sound just like another Remainer who understands very little, but complains a lot about other people (with whom you wouldn't want to be associated with for fear of catching something).
Do you feel that a degree produces well-rounded, sensible, mature people who can be relied upon to use common sense ?
vonuber said:
Robertj21a said:
Do you feel that a degree produces well-rounded, sensible, mature people who can be relied upon to use common sense ?
Sounds to me like you have a chip on your shoulder about people who have gone to university. andy_s said:
Yeah - that's what I was getting at and a bit confused as I live in Scotland where students get about £27K of assistance as the fees are paid by govt. but nothing for the chippies, sparks, brickies, etc of the world who actually physically do something constructive.
AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
You now need a degree to operate a pre-school. It's pretty much group child minding!AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
Even the staff now need certain grade O Levels, and an NVQ.
This is for a minimum wage job!
vonuber said:
andy_s said:
Yeah - that's what I was getting at and a bit confused as I live in Scotland where students get about £27K of assistance as the fees are paid by govt. but nothing for the chippies, sparks, brickies, etc of the world who actually physically do something constructive.
AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
Why should chippies etc get assistance? Aren't they getting paid? AFAIU nurses now need a degree - another pointless burden for them and us.
Given the complexity of modern nurses job - i used to go out with one for 4 years, so have a good idea - why shouldn't it be degree educated?
For nurses - in Scotland at least - needing a degree is actually not a bad thing as tuition fees are picked up by NHS Scotland. In honesty I thought that making a degree a requirement would be additional expense without much change in course content, that seems to be true south of the border but I'd agree it's not my area of expertise!
My general gist was [and remember, Scotland centric] that if we pay £27K without strings for people academically gifted enough to pursue a degree, we should be also make sure those that may not be so gifted but nonetheless want to progress past high school into something more vocational should also be given that level of support.
I have my doubts that everyone going to Uni [and spending approx. £600pm for accom., generally paid by loan] will find something commensurate with that degree - [the job market hasn't changed much but more people are obtaining them]. The winners are of course the universities themselves as they get both increased numbers and increased accom/halls income, but that's by the by.
vonuber said:
Robertj21a said:
Far from it, but I have had to try to recruit numerous people, who then make me doubt whether a degree has improved their chances out in the real world.
So you are saying education is a waste of time unless it 'improves your chances in the real world'?T-195 said:
Crackie said:
It is very easy to fall back on the argument that the 'left behind' people only want to blame someone, anyone, else for their poor lot. IMHO people who use the 'someone else's fault' trope do betray their lack of empathy and understanding regarding the issues involved in certain regions in the UK.......the playing field is not even for everyone.
I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
The Left Behind. I do not understand why would you want to 'do something with' people who are unable to change? Why are they unable to change?
People who are too dumb to realise their problems have been caused by nearly 10 years of Tory Government.
Not by being members of The EU.
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