Boris Johnson- Prime Minister

[Groat]

golf_addict said:

El stovey said:

Alright sidicks calm down.

No answer then?
I guess this was just another unsubstantiated claim of yours then?

Edited by golf_addict on Monday 19th August 16:35

Sid, now that it's been outed, it might be better if you canned golf_addict and moved on to the next one.

(not that I'm condoning a breach of posting rules banning multiple id's, it's just that .....well......y'know....it's probably in everyone's interest before the fight starts )

[amusingduck]

For god's sake sid, get a VPN It'll save you a lot of time

[anonymous-user]

So! Moving on............

How do we think the VoNC will go?

If it goes ahead?

[golf_addict]

amusingduck said:

For god's sake sid, get a VPN It'll save you a lot of time

I’ve already got one.

I’m not trying to hide anything, so those people who thing they’ve been very clever ‘catching me out’, have done no such thing.

Shame that Groat is only concerned about me and none of the other returned banned members (presumably because in the past I’ve highlighted his lies and ignorance on certain matters!)

That’s probably why he keeps lying about me being a pension salesman or some such nonsense.

I just think it’s funny that I was never given a reason why I was banned, but that there have been numerous direct insults and other blatant rule-breaking in the last few weeks / months that the mods have ignored.

Not sure why...

Edited by golf_addict on Monday 19th August 17:07

[Mr Penfold]

digimeistter said:

So! Moving on............

How do we think the VoNC will go?

If it goes ahead?

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

[Nickgnome]

Mr Penfold said:

digimeistter said:

So! Moving on............

How do we think the VoNC will go?

If it goes ahead?

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

An election is not automatic if he loses the vonc. Theoretically if parliament so decided a caretaker administration could carry on until the end of the fixed term parliament. They would be able to pass whatever legislation they chose in this period, subject to parliamentary approval.

[andy_s]

TTwiggy said:

El stovey said:

Yup. What we might increasingly need as we move into a more autonomous workplace will be some kind of universal basic income system.

I'm very much in favour of this. It's the most egalitarian form of social care and removes any stigma around being 'out of work' (for whatever reason).

Have to say after listening to Yang and other reports I can see there're big upsides. There are still some reservations but isn't there always...

[Mr Penfold]

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

digimeistter said:

So! Moving on............

How do we think the VoNC will go?

If it goes ahead?

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

An election is not automatic if he loses the vonc. Theoretically if parliament so decided a caretaker administration could carry on until the end of the fixed term parliament. They would be able to pass whatever legislation they chose in this period, subject to parliamentary approval.

Boris get 14 days to create another government if that then loses a vote he can ask her maj to dissolve parliament and call an election

[John145]

TTwiggy said:

I'd love to see it happen. But if we effectively create an island nation where cleaners earn £50k PA, where is the money to pay them going to come from? Equally, if we bring in a wage-cap for top earners they will simply leave.

No one said anything about a wage cap!

I think a happy society is based on equality. Imagine living in a land where people could earn a good living for simple honest hard work.

A FT job should pay at least 30k per annum. 15 quid an hour isn’t ridiculous. The difference between that and 11 quid though is huge for the worker...

[andymadmak]

Mr Penfold said:

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

That's an interesting take on the question. I actually think he (Boris) needs to win.

If he loses a VONC he either has to let some Government of National (dis)Unity take over - in which case goodbye Brexit - it will be submerged under an avalanche of Remainer lies and fear. - or he has to agree to call an election to take place after 31st October.

If he calls an election the Remain campaigners will fudge a deal with the EU to get them to wait until after the election before recognising our 'departure'. In other words an 'extension' will be offered by the EU, even if there is no mechanism under the A50 process for them to do so.

Boris will struggle to win an election unless Brexit has been delivered imho, because too many people will simply vote for TBP in the hope that they are guaranteeing Brexit by doing so - the irony being that in doing so they have probably lost themselves Brexit.

If Boris wins the VONC, then his hand is strengthened massively. He can keep pushing for October 31st, and if there is to be any blink from the EU it will be once they realise that Brexit is coming for sure. Of course, the EU may not blink. It is their choice when all is said and done.
Once Brexited and TBP is neutralised, Boris will call a snap election and he will walk it (the more so if he is still up against Corbyn)

[vonuber]

Robertj21a said:

I think you'll find that he has form for it in the past.

Sorry, just catching up after work.
I don't have 'form' for anything. I inferred it from your comments about degrees preparing for the real world, as if that was the be all and end all.

[Mr Penfold]

andymadmak said:

Mr Penfold said:

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

That's an interesting take on the question. I actually think he (Boris) needs to win.

If he loses a VONC he either has to let some Government of National (dis)Unity take over - in which case goodbye Brexit - it will be submerged under an avalanche of Remainer lies and fear. - or he has to agree to call an election to take place after 31st October.

If he calls an election the Remain campaigners will fudge a deal with the EU to get them to wait until after the election before recognising our 'departure'. In other words an 'extension' will be offered by the EU, even if there is no mechanism under the A50 process for them to do so.

Boris will struggle to win an election unless Brexit has been delivered imho, because too many people will simply vote for TBP in the hope that they are guaranteeing Brexit by doing so - the irony being that in doing so they have probably lost themselves Brexit.

If Boris wins the VONC, then his hand is strengthened massively. He can keep pushing for October 31st, and if there is to be any blink from the EU it will be once they realise that Brexit is coming for sure. Of course, the EU may not blink. It is their choice when all is said and done.
Once Brexited and TBP is neutralised, Boris will call a snap election and he will walk it (the more so if he is still up against Corbyn)

I think that him losing the vote would get the public onside and away from TBP no other party can take over if he goes for election

[anonymous-user]

golf_addict said:

amusingduck said:

For god's sake sid, get a VPN It'll save you a lot of time

I’ve already got one.

I’m not trying to hide anything, so those people who thing they’ve been very clever ‘catching me out’, have done no such thing.

Shame that Groat is only concerned about me and none of the other returned banned members (presumably because in the past I’ve highlighted his lies and ignorance on certain matters!)

That’s probably why he keeps lying about me being a pension salesman or some such nonsense.

I just think it’s funny that I was never given a reason why I was banned, but that there have been numerous direct insults and other blatant rule-breaking in the last few weeks / months that the mods have ignored.

Not sure why...

Edited by golf_addict on Monday 19th August 17:07

“Pension salesman”? That is a terrible slur. I thought you sold life insurance!

[TTwiggy]

John145 said:

TTwiggy said:

I'd love to see it happen. But if we effectively create an island nation where cleaners earn £50k PA, where is the money to pay them going to come from? Equally, if we bring in a wage-cap for top earners they will simply leave.

No one said anything about a wage cap!

I think a happy society is based on equality. Imagine living in a land where people could earn a good living for simple honest hard work.

A FT job should pay at least 30k per annum. 15 quid an hour isn’t ridiculous. The difference between that and 11 quid though is huge for the worker...

The thing is, I agree with you, but I still struggle to see how it's feasible. If, say, a supermarket is paying a full-time shelf-stacker £30k, then how much do they have to pay the manager? Or should there be no reward for added responsibility?

And if the supermarket has to pay these sort of wages, what will a bag of spuds have to cost to cover it? And when a bag of spuds triples in price, where is the value in a wage increase if it's just eaten up by inflation?

[TTwiggy]

golf_addict said:

I’m not trying to hide anything, so those people who thing they’ve been very clever ‘catching me out’, have done no such thing.

Ok.

golf_addict said:

because in the past I’ve highlighted his lies and ignorance on certain matters!)

Ah...

[Nickgnome]

Mr Penfold said:

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

digimeistter said:

So! Moving on............

How do we think the VoNC will go?

If it goes ahead?

For boris he needs to lose, as it would then show parliament stopping brexit and a landslide electiom victory, for boris actually delivering on the 31st could mean he loses an election or has to scrape along as may did.

An election is not automatic if he loses the vonc. Theoretically if parliament so decided a caretaker administration could carry on until the end of the fixed term parliament. They would be able to pass whatever legislation they chose in this period, subject to parliamentary approval.

Boris get 14 days to create another government if that then loses a vote he can ask her maj to dissolve parliament and call an election

Not strictly true, as parliament can use the time as well in that period and providing the ‘Unity government’ succeeds in getting a parliamentary vote of confidence then parliament will not be dissolved.

It would be a very high risk strategy for the current government to engineer a loss of a vonc.

[andymadmak]

Mr Penfold said:

I think that him losing the vote would get the public onside and away from TBP no other party can take over if he goes for election

I see your point, but I think that Farage is the problem here. He will say "only a vote for TBP will send a clear message to ensure that Brexit is delivered"

And quite a few people will believe him. May has made the Conservatives untrustworthy on Brexit for many voters, and many of those might just sit with their arms folded rather than vote Conservative until Johnson has reestablished trust with them by delivering Brexit.

Farage does not have to convince THAT many people of his claim. There is a real risk that losing just a few votes in each constituency would be enough to topple the Conservatives because, as we have seen, it is likely that there will be a 'Remain Coalition" in a great many constituencies - uniting previously politically disparate groups with the sole intention of stopping Brexit.

Of course, any such Government elected will be like rats fighting in a sack once the 'main task' has been completed, so the country will have years of Corbyn and Swinson and Lucas et al all claiming that they know best, whilst working to quite separate agendas, but that is for a different thread.

[Mr Penfold]

Nickgnome said:

Not strictly true, as parliament can use the time as well in that period and providing the ‘Unity government’ succeeds in getting a parliamentary vote of confidence then parliament will not be dissolved.

It would be a very high risk strategy for the current government to engineer a loss of a vonc.

I think you are missinformed,have you read the 2011 act? do you know how parliament works?

[Nickgnome]

Mr Penfold said:

Nickgnome said:

Not strictly true, as parliament can use the time as well in that period and providing the ‘Unity government’ succeeds in getting a parliamentary vote of confidence then parliament will not be dissolved.

It would be a very high risk strategy for the current government to engineer a loss of a vonc.

I think you are missinformed,have you read the 2011 act? do you know how parliament works?

Yes and it doesn’t say what you think it does.

[golf_addict]

Roman Rhodes said:

“Pension salesman”? That is a terrible slur. I thought you sold life insurance!

In that case you’d also be wrong.