Boris Johnson- Prime Minister

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Escapegoat said:

So now you need actual conspiracy to help you wriggle out of recognising Boris' hypocrisy? All of the BJ fans here were saying "it's perfectly legal and democratic" a few weeks ago. Well, well:

• It was the Labour Party's democratic and legal process that got Brown to No10.
• It was the Conservative Party's democratic and legal process that got Johnson to No10.

It is that simple. But keep up the tribal dance.

Conspiracy ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair%E2%80%93Brown_...

I particularly liked the way you skipped every point made in my reply. The again, if you were painting Brown's victory, ( a massive 88% of 313 people ) when only one Marxist stood in opposition to him , as some great democratic exercise for the Labour party, it was probably for the best not to bother. .

Again, the original point was not that Boris's leadership election is without criticism, but that it was quite different to a pre planned Blair/Brown deal and not really directly comparable. I don't think Boris a massive hypocrite to have criticised this and then stood for leader in a wide open race.

[bitchstewie]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

Only if you are blinkered to the facts about the differences between his election and Browns pre arranged take over.

But if you put those blinkers on yourself what else to you expect ?

So far as I'm aware Boris's comments related to the say the public had.

I fully accept that Boris has followed the Conservative Party process.

Boris said:

It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.

“They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM…

Swap the names around a bit and it's no different to my blinkered eyes.

[Gargamel]

I agree its a bit of hypocrisy from Boris, but its hardly the worst thing a politician can do. A spot of being hoisted on your own petard mhopeully makes people think a little more in future.

I mean its not like he sold the nations gold at an historic low price. Or invaded another country on incredibly thin ‘intelligence’

[bitchstewie]

Gargamel said:

I agree its a bit of hypocrisy from Boris, but its hardly the worst thing a politician can do. A spot of being hoisted on your own petard mhopeully makes people think a little more in future.

I don't think it is either.

It's why it's so baffling and amusing seeing people trying to pretend that it isn't or defend it.

[vonuber]

digimeistter said:

Great meeting with the Donald this morning, Tusk must be livid

Yes, because we really want to be cosying up with trump.

[valiant]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

Only if you are blinkered to the facts about the differences between his election and Browns pre arranged take over.

But if you put those blinkers on yourself what else to you expect ?

There may have been some tacit agreement between the two but GB was elected according to party rules at the time.

He put himself up for election alongside any other MP who wanted a stab at the top job. McDonnell threw his hat in the ring but did not get enough nominations to get on the ballot. Again, all within the rules at the time.

Now maybe all those who may have wanted a go decided that they would have no chance and didn’t put themselves forward but we’ll never know.

Similar rules apply to most major parties in electing their new leader as we’ve seen with Boris. (Unless you’re the leader of TBP where you hold no votes but elect yourself leader anyway).

[Otis Criblecoblis]

bhstewie said:

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

Only if you are blinkered to the facts about the differences between his election and Browns pre arranged take over.

But if you put those blinkers on yourself what else to you expect ?

So far as I'm aware Boris's comments related to the say the public had.

I fully accept that Boris has followed the Conservative Party process.

Boris said:

It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.

“They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM…

Swap the names around a bit and it's no different to my blinkered eyes.

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

[anonymous-user]

Blair specifically stated he would do a full term during the election campaign, they knew everyone knew Brown was going to be anointed when Blair stepped down and knew how toxic that was for the labour party vote in a GE.

It was a typical Blair con trick.

[bitchstewie]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

All I'm saying is they are not directly comparable and sufficiently different, yet people trying to present them as such to then shout 'hypocrite'.

[anonymous-user]

vonuber said:

digimeistter said:

Great meeting with the Donald this morning, Tusk must be livid

Yes, because we really want to be cosying up with trump.

If you mean having good relations with the leader of the Worlds most powerful economy and closest ally, then yes.

What an odd view?

[eccles]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

All I'm saying is they are not directly comparable and sufficiently different, yet people trying to present them as such to then shout 'hypocrite'.

Both were elected prime minister by their own parties and not through a general election. That's similar enough for me, and I suspect many other people.

[Escapegoat]

NoNeed said:

Blair and Brown did a deal before the 97 election that was common knowledge and regularly reported on, and while they may have tried to show some sort of due process, none existed.

Same as the Gove-Johnson deal, same as Cameron-Osbourne and every 'dream team' arrangement in history. Alas, Sarah Vine encouraged her Pob-lookalike to renege.

In all cases, the arrangement is neither here nor there, because there was still a legal and democratic process to decide the actual PM.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

eccles said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

All I'm saying is they are not directly comparable and sufficiently different, yet people trying to present them as such to then shout 'hypocrite'.

Both were elected prime minister by their own parties and not through a general election. .

That is true. The Boris quote though is critical of the process in which Brown came to power through a pre planned deal.
It's a bit much to wish to ignore the basis of his quote and the Blair/Brown deal, only to then hold the quote up and shout 'hypocrite'.

[Randy Winkman]

eccles said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

All I'm saying is they are not directly comparable and sufficiently different, yet people trying to present them as such to then shout 'hypocrite'.

Both were elected prime minister by their own parties and not through a general election. That's similar enough for me, and I suspect many other people.

Exactly. And BJ is a hypocrite.

[Escapegoat]

bhstewie said:

It's why it's so baffling and amusing seeing people trying to pretend that it isn't or defend it.

As I said above, it only makes sense when they find that they can't afford their principles and ultimately, "the ends justifies the means".

BJ has been so fast and loose with his speeches and articles, that he has left a lot of did-he-really-say-that, well-he-didn't-actually-mean-that moments for his fans to try to dance their way around.

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

vonuber said:

digimeistter said:

Great meeting with the Donald this morning, Tusk must be livid

Yes, because we really want to be cosying up with trump.

Better than being controlled by unelected people running the Eu

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Randy Winkman said:

eccles said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

bhstewie said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.

I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.

My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.

Nothing more.

All I'm saying is they are not directly comparable and sufficiently different, yet people trying to present them as such to then shout 'hypocrite'.

Both were elected prime minister by their own parties and not through a general election. That's similar enough for me, and I suspect many other people.

Exactly. And BJ is a hypocrite.

For those not interested in the very basis of the quote and any differences in how both came to power, you can find anything that fits with what you want to see, as you have.

[zygalski]

Admirable bumbling arse-kissing technique our PM has developed as far as Trump is concerned.

[anonymous-user]

Le Controleur Horizontal said:

vonuber said:

digimeistter said:

Great meeting with the Donald this morning, Tusk must be livid

Yes, because we really want to be cosying up with trump.

Better than being controlled by unelected people running the Eu

Who do you mean?