Boris Johnson- Prime Minister
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Otis Criblecoblis said:
Randy Winkman said:
eccles said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Otis Criblecoblis said:
You've skipped the bit where it's pre planned for Blair to resign mid term. Rather different to an embattled PM having to resign through lack of confidence in her own party.
So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.
I'm not suggesting Blair acted properly either.So they did vote Blair, and then through a stitch up suddenly Brown as PM from a virtually unopposed vote from only Labour MPs. Both weren't honest enough to say Balir would get him into office by him fronting an election he never intended to continue you with. Hardly the same as Boris coming to power.
My point is simply that it's hypocritical of Boris to say what he did and then do what he did.
Nothing more.
And BJ is a hypocrite.I too am enjoying/despairing in equal measure seeing Boris fans defending his comments re:Brown getting the top job without the say of the electorate.
The guy is a total hypocrite in that regard, as can't be avoided without some painfully desperate and transparent mental gymnastics.
It's one thing to think he's still the man for the job despite his words and actions- as would be true of most MP's- but the inability to acknowledge his hypocrisy is borderline hero worship.
The guy is a total hypocrite in that regard, as can't be avoided without some painfully desperate and transparent mental gymnastics.
It's one thing to think he's still the man for the job despite his words and actions- as would be true of most MP's- but the inability to acknowledge his hypocrisy is borderline hero worship.
El stovey said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
vonuber said:
digimeistter said:
Great meeting with the Donald this morning, Tusk must be livid 
Yes, because we really want to be cosying up with trump. glazbagun said:
I too am enjoying/despairing in equal measure seeing Boris fans defending his comments re:Brown getting the top job without the say of the electorate.
The guy is a total hypocrite in that regard, as can't be avoided without some painfully desperate and transparent mental gymnastics.
It's one thing to think he's still the man for the job despite his words and actions- as would be true of most MP's- but the inability to acknowledge his hypocrisy is borderline hero worship.
Gordon Browns coronation was decided before Blair was elected,it was a total stitch up and anti-democratic.The guy is a total hypocrite in that regard, as can't be avoided without some painfully desperate and transparent mental gymnastics.
It's one thing to think he's still the man for the job despite his words and actions- as would be true of most MP's- but the inability to acknowledge his hypocrisy is borderline hero worship.
Boris on the other hand had a couple of attempts in two hard fought campains,completely different and anybidy saying the two were the same are just biased isiots who let their predudice type for them
NoNeed said:
Gordon Browns coronation was decided before Blair was elected,it was a total stitch up and anti-democratic.
Boris on the other hand had a couple of attempts in two hard fought internal* campains,completely different and anybidy saying the two were the same are just biased isiots who let their predudice type for them
Boris on the other hand had a couple of attempts in two hard fought internal* campains,completely different and anybidy saying the two were the same are just biased isiots who let their predudice type for them
- itallics my own insertion.
BoJo said:
It's the arrogance. It's the contempt. That's what gets me. It's Gordon Brown's apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It's at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.
Everybody seems to have forgotten that the last general election was only two years ago, in 2005. A man called Tony Blair presented himself for re-election, and his face was to be seen - even if less prominently than in the past - on manifestos, leaflets, television screens and billboards. We rather gathered from the Labour prospectus that said Blair was going to be Prime Minister. Indeed, Tony sought a new mandate from the British electorate with the explicit promise that he would serve a full term.
The British public sucked its teeth, squinted at him closely, sighed and, with extreme reluctance, decided to elect him Prime Minister for another five years. Let me repeat that. They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM.
He's clearly talking about a general election and the fact that the UK didn't get the chance to vote on a Brown government and had, infact, voted for the Blair one.Everybody seems to have forgotten that the last general election was only two years ago, in 2005. A man called Tony Blair presented himself for re-election, and his face was to be seen - even if less prominently than in the past - on manifestos, leaflets, television screens and billboards. We rather gathered from the Labour prospectus that said Blair was going to be Prime Minister. Indeed, Tony sought a new mandate from the British electorate with the explicit promise that he would serve a full term.
The British public sucked its teeth, squinted at him closely, sighed and, with extreme reluctance, decided to elect him Prime Minister for another five years. Let me repeat that. They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM.
Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 25th August 16:10
Targarama said:
I love what Boris is trying to do for our country. Anyone who doesn’t? Well I question your Britishness and spirit (nothing to do with immigration and the colour of your skin).
Indeed, so refreshing to have a leader with a positive outlook, prepared to fight our corner.A million miles from the depressive hand wringing, just what our Country needs and it is striking a chord with the general public.
digimeistter said:
Targarama said:
I love what Boris is trying to do for our country. Anyone who doesn’t? Well I question your Britishness and spirit (nothing to do with immigration and the colour of your skin).
Indeed, so refreshing to have a leader with a positive outlook, prepared to fight our corner.A million miles from the depressive hand wringing, just what our Country needs and it is striking a chord with the general public.
But he has a monumental battle to fight those that want to keep the country depressed - the majority of politicians it seems.
Mothersruin said:
Agreed.
But he has a monumental battle to fight those that want to keep the country depressed - the majority of politicians it seems.
Get those excuses in early.But he has a monumental battle to fight those that want to keep the country depressed - the majority of politicians it seems.
But you should really have more faith in Boris, he's more than capable of failing miserably without anyone else's help!
NoNeed said:
Both were NOT elected by their parties labour had no election for Brown, they had deputy elections to try and show the party was democratic but that was all a show, there was no democracy invilved with Labour.
Again, no party rules were broken or subverted. There was no leadership election because no one else met the criteria in achieving enough nominations to get on the ballot paper (probably because everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion - but that’s a different matter).Party rules are (or at least were until Uncle Corbyn got in) clear and transparent and were followed. Other major parties would have acted In the same way had a similar thing happened. It’s not undemocratic as we saw an election for deputy leader where there was competition for the post.
Targarama said:
I love what Boris is trying to do for our country. Anyone who doesn’t? Well I question your Britishness and spirit (nothing to do with immigration and the colour of your skin).
I like that he's positive and upbeat, probably the first upbeat PM since Blair. Though considering the GFC and all that's followed, I'm not sure upbeat would have won the day on many elections when the issues were the deficit, the deficit and the deficit. In any case he can't be as bad as May.I question the rationality of people who question the Britishness of others based on their view of a political leader.I don't want the UK to become like the US where simply accusing someone/thing of being "unamerican" is a worthwhile tool in a debate.
Edited by glazbagun on Monday 26th August 00:22
I know it sounds like silly b******s, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody on PH knows somebody who speaks from time to time with Boris Johnson.
I mention this because Johnson looks a bit of an amateur when, this weekend, he asks for a federal / national solution for UK insurance companies to sell into the US. There is no insurance company that enjoys such a benefit. Not even American ones.
The reason is that each of the 50 states is responsible for the definition and supervision of its own insurance products. This is, as the Americans might say, "Insurance 101" in the US. Any business person in the US knows this, as should any US-resident trade delegate or commercial attache person from the UK
Asking, as Johnson does, for a one-stop national solution is not only impossible, but also probably prohibited according to the Constitution of the United States. You know: one of those pesky 18th-century documents.
PS: All of us know that the UK has far more valuable things to sell into the US than pork pies and shower trays, FFS. I mean: by all means, bring 'em on. But the PR hacks who work for No. 10 need to ensure that other products / services are headlined as well.
On the contrary: In my observation of living on both sides of the Atlantic, the US is only difficult for those brands or businesses which believe that they are somehow entitled to customers, because of who they are. Rather than how the brand or business crafts its offer and treats its customers.
Volkswagen certainly realised this when their diesel shenanigans were up.
Anyway -- the point of my post is that somebody as seemingly experienced in life, if not business per se, as the current occupant of No. 10, should be speaking to the UK's leading export capabilities -- and not to shower trays
and to his own ignorance about the other party with whom he hopes to ink a deal.
The UK is the world's largest exporter of services, after the US. So why not act like it.
Complaining to reporters, "Our insurance companies have to do a deal with each of the 50 states!" makes Johnson look like the mayor of some lilliputian village.
Volkswagen certainly realised this when their diesel shenanigans were up.
Anyway -- the point of my post is that somebody as seemingly experienced in life, if not business per se, as the current occupant of No. 10, should be speaking to the UK's leading export capabilities -- and not to shower trays
and to his own ignorance about the other party with whom he hopes to ink a deal.The UK is the world's largest exporter of services, after the US. So why not act like it.
Complaining to reporters, "Our insurance companies have to do a deal with each of the 50 states!" makes Johnson look like the mayor of some lilliputian village.
Edited by unsprung on Monday 26th August 00:09
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