Harry and Meghan

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Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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zygalski said:
So just another snake with tits, just like the rest of 'em. Eh, chaps?
Massive strawman there 'chap'.

Are you suggesting that there aren't any signs that in other contexts would be raising warning flags of an imbalance of control within a relationship?

Or that there's fairly well documented examples of her being a general nobody 'fit girl wanting to be an actress in hollywood' just like tens of thousands except with a history of drawing people into her circle, getting what she wanted out of them to achieve the "next rung" then dumping them like a stone to move onto the next?

Think Harry really, deep down, would have walked away from his military connections of his own accord in order to "step away" from the British Royal covering press to go play the US media celeb game?

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Why is it a straw man, Mr triggered snowflake?
Seems to be exactly what most people in here are hinting at but without having the guts to come right out with it.
If you're an unabashed misogynist you're in good company here.

bitchstewie

50,791 posts

209 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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There was an interesting interview on LBC yesterday with a journalist who's spent 15 years on royal duty for the Mail of all papers.

I forget her name but she said Harry basically spent 15 years telling her he wished he could simply walk away from it all.

Her view was that whilst meeting Meghan may be the catalyst for this and has given him a reason to do so it's wide of the mark to say it's her "doing".

I still think there's way too much projection going on here and I think some of you would be massively uncomfortable if someone were talking about your wives or mothers in similar terms based off so much smear and innuendo and so little little direct knowledge.

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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She is an actress and a (was) a minor B list celeb and due to "fame" will get/make money directly from her now being "a Princess", trailer based USA and the Hollywood types will love it. (The big stars will look down/use on her)

What job can Harry do other than trade on is Royal birth, he is after all just a rather under experienced demobbed Army officer.

Byker28i

58,855 posts

216 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Dont like rolls said:
Halb said:
does she weigh the same as a duck???
And African Blue or a Oppressed Mallard Hen ?
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Byker28i

58,855 posts

216 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Anyone seen the latest from Piers Morgan, hell hath no fury like a spurned tt

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan

Piers Morgan
‏Verified account @piersmorgan
12h12 hours ago

Piers Morgan Retweeted Wes Streeting MP

Oh pipe down, you virtue-signalling berk. Your disingenuous race-baiting claims are what’s shameful. It’s got nothing to with with racism & everything to do with Meghan Markle being a ruthless, social climbing, fame-obsessed piece of work who’s now forced Harry from his country.

Piers Morgan added,
Wes Streeting MP
Verified account @wesstreeting
This is shameful on so many levels. The treatment of Meghan at the hands of sections of the media hasn’t just been ‘negative’ or ‘bad’ - it has been downright racist. That’s what should bring shame on our country, not so-called ‘Megxit’. https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/12186139565...
2,053 replies 1,882 retweets 12,567 likes

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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zygalski said:
Why is it a straw man, Mr triggered snowflake?
Seems to be exactly what most people in here are hinting at but without having the guts to come right out with it.
If you're an unabashed misogynist you're in good company here.
You're not challenging the upper levels of the pyramid of debate here...

Strawman - "just like the rest of 'em". Nicely leads to what you really wanted to say, and now have - that we're all misogynists, and therefore there is no need to actually debate on the specific examples or data available.

"Seems to be" merely reinforces the fact you're well aware of it being a strawman...

Oh and thanks. Been called many things, but never a "triggered snowflake" (or indeed misogynist). I'll add that to my bingo card.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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bhstewie said:
There was an interesting interview on LBC yesterday with a journalist who's spent 15 years on royal duty for the Mail of all papers.

I forget her name but she said Harry basically spent 15 years telling her he wished he could simply walk away from it all.

Her view was that whilst meeting Meghan may be the catalyst for this and has given him a reason to do so it's wide of the mark to say it's her "doing".

I still think there's way too much projection going on here and I think some of you would be massively uncomfortable if someone were talking about your wives or mothers in similar terms based off so much smear and innuendo and so little little direct knowledge.
That, I can understand - the "walking away from it all".

Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Moobs said:
At a glance. Without his HRH title and the royal families backing. Harry is a nobody to the elite. What can he offer to sustain Megan's lavish lifestyle? When volitile spousal arguments surface. Harry doesn't have a leg to stand on. Don't see this ending well. Hope to be proven wrong.
All he will have is the shirt on his back and his £30m cash.

Does she have a lavish lifestyle? Seems she doesn't want the Royal lifestyle, and before Harry she just had her millions of dollars to get by on?

techguyone

3,137 posts

141 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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abzmike said:
RDMcG said:
I wish them well and hope they can escape the endless coverage in the Daily Mail and the like. Less pervasive in Canada I expect. Hopefully the appalling father and half sister of this unfortunate woman will sink into well-deserved obscurity and the now non-HRH people can get on with their lives a little more privately.
Sadly the Mail and others will hound them until their dying day. They now have no Buck House press office to restrict access on pain of removal from official tours etc... they are on their own, and the paps will be all over them 24x7.
Heh indeed.

One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it...

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Sway said:
zygalski said:
So just another snake with tits, just like the rest of 'em. Eh, chaps?
Massive strawman there 'chap'.

Are you suggesting that there aren't any signs that in other contexts would be raising warning flags of an imbalance of control within a relationship?

Or that there's fairly well documented examples of her being a general nobody 'fit girl wanting to be an actress in hollywood' just like tens of thousands except with a history of drawing people into her circle, getting what she wanted out of them to achieve the "next rung" then dumping them like a stone to move onto the next?

Think Harry really, deep down, would have walked away from his military connections of his own accord in order to "step away" from the British Royal covering press to go play the US media celeb game?
Maybe Harry’s motivation isn’t the same as hers? I assumed Harry just wanted a life away from the U.K. media for him and his family. She wants this but also has ideas about their branding and making money rather than just relying for ever on the U.K. and the royal connections as that comes with a load of stuff they don’t like.

So they both want to be away from the UK media and live with less intrusion that the royal lifestyle creates. It doesn’t mean that Harry is doing it to become a US celeb though. She might be but their reasons could be different.

Seems like essentially they’ve had a go at living as royals in the U.K. and it isn’t working for them. What they both do next might be different but it doesn’t mean they can’t be happier away from the U.K. and royal responsibility.

Harry was often reported as blaming the media for what happened to his mum and being happiest doing conservation work in places like Botswana. Maybe now he’ll be able to use his wealth and platform to do more of that.

It’s easy for everyone to say it’s all megs fault and she’s brainwashed him but looks like he’s going to be able to live a happier life with her than he was before. If he’d married someone like Kate, maybe he’d still be unhappy, megs helped him escape a toxic environment that was making him miserable.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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El stovey said:
Maybe Harry’s motivation isn’t the same as hers? I assumed Harry just wanted a life away from the U.K. media for him and his family. She wants this but also has ideas about their branding and making money rather than just relying for ever on the U.K. and the royal connections as that comes with a load of stuff they don’t like.

So they both want to be away from the UK media and live with less intrusion that the royal lifestyle creates. It doesn’t mean that Harry is doing it to become a US celeb though. She might be but their reasons could be different.

Seems like essentially they’ve had a go at living as royals in the U.K. and it isn’t working for them. What they both do next might be different but it doesn’t mean they can’t be happier away from the U.K. and royal responsibility.

Harry was often reported as blaming the media for what happened to his mum and being happiest doing conservation work in places like Botswana. Maybe now he’ll be able to use his wealth and platform to do more of that.

It’s easy for everyone to say it’s all megs fault and she’s brainwashed him but looks like he’s going to be able to live a happier life with her than he was before. If he’d married someone like Kate, maybe he’d still be unhappy, megs helped him escape a toxic environment that was making him miserable.
I can agree with that chap.

I'm far from saying "it's all Meg's fault". Indeed I've agreed that I can entirely understand him wanting to get away from it all.

I worry (not hugely, more intellectually, before posters leap to stating it's consuming my waking thoughts!) that the outcome is unlikely to achieve what is stated as his goal.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Walking away from Royal Family fame and straight into Hollywood “circuit” fame?

Cant see much of a difference personally?

bitchstewie

50,791 posts

209 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Sway said:
That, I can understand - the "walking away from it all".

Seems to fall apart when the "walking away from it all" really isn't, and instead is "walking into even worse, but with dosh coming into the current accounts".
Perhaps they think they're doing it on their own terms to some degree.

All this talk from some of "blackmailing the queen" and and how now they're being "punished" and "put in their place" seems absurd.

So far as I'm aware nobody definitively knows what they asked for and everything is from "sources" who won't put their name next to anything.

They may be entirely happy with what's been arranged yet people seem to be willing them to fail.

The levels of bitterness and resentment towards the prospect of some happiness for two (three if you include Archie) people who've never done anyone any harm so far as I'm aware is just so unhealthy.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Sway said:
I can agree with that chap.

I'm far from saying "it's all Meg's fault". Indeed I've agreed that I can entirely understand him wanting to get away from it all.

I worry (not hugely, more intellectually, before posters leap to stating it's consuming my waking thoughts!) that the outcome is unlikely to achieve what is stated as his goal.
Who knows.

Looks to me like they both want away from the U.K. media and she maybe wants to make money and use their brand and he wants to do more things like the conservation and charity work.

Doesn’t mean they can’t both do those different things and be a happy family. Even if they don’t actually do much, they’re not going to be short of money.

I can see Harry being a bit like Kevin Pietersen running some conservation park in Botswana and Meg having fashion brands and whatever. Happily away from the daily mail and tabloids (and their readers) attention.

The atmosphere in here is a bit like the Scottish independence threads or the divorce ones where someone else (Harry and Meg, Scotland, a wife etc) suggests they might want out of something posters value (the royal family, the union, a marriage) and the party staying gets upset and rejects them.

Posters here really value the royal family and are proud of the British institutions so it’s a bit upsetting when others don’t, especially if members of the royal family reject it. So people blame Meg like a jilted lover blames a third party etc Megs just helping Harry leave but she’s not the reason he doesn’t like being a royal.

Obviously this is based on no insight into the royal family whatsoever.

cardigankid

8,849 posts

211 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Looking at the official Sussex Royal website, they are not walking away from the royal family, they are stopping using the Sovereign grant so that they are longer prohibited from earning an independent living. If Prince Charles chooses to give them large sums, why shouldn’t he and what business is it of anyone else’s?

The UK public invest emotionally in the Royal Family and Harry in particular, which is understandable and personally I buy into the proposition that they are a major asset to the UK.

This should therefore be no problem, and indeed a very positive move. After all, it’s not the first time a member of the Royal Family has decided to turn a penny on the side and maybe even gently exploit their position. Is it a big deal?

The issues are 1. That this was not discussed before the wedding and subsequently better handled from a PR perspective, and 2. That during something of a crisis for Harry his wife chooses to be on the other side of the world.

The best thing we can do is let them get on with it, and hope that it all works out.

Gromm

890 posts

56 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Personally I fed up with the whole hoo-ha around them and the rest of the useless bunch and just want ALL of them to shut up and go away. If they all do one, no one would even remember them in six moths down the road.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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cardigankid said:
Looking at the official Sussex Royal website
Won't that need to change in the near future given that HRH is going going gone? Sussex Exroyal website?

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Dont like rolls said:
She is an actress and a (was) a minor B list celeb and due to "fame" will get/make money directly from her now being "a Princess", trailer based USA and the Hollywood types will love it. (The big stars will look down/use on her)

What job can Harry do other than trade on is Royal birth, he is after all just a rather under experienced demobbed Army officer.
Apart from his enormous fortune, a contact list which any business would kill for and 24/7 access to the royal family. Does anyone really believe Queenie will let her grandson be exposed to risks, no way.

As for Meghan being ‘used’, if that means being paid a lot of money for various things, sounds pretty good really?

I’m sure he’ll scrape by rolleyes

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Can they keep the. Sussex name?


Also in news today she hasn’t taken all her clothes to the UK when she moved over instead keeping large wardrobes full in Canada .... say no more