Electric Scooters
Discussion
Captain Raymond Holt said:
jakesmith said:
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I agree with all of this.
I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...
You do know this is a motoring enthusiast forum?I’d also like to move to a one car per household rule...
Most journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Yup... however with the population increasing far faster than infrastructure it doesn’t take a genius to see where things will end up.
Most journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
Are you aware that even the keenest car enthusiast is only capable of driving one car at a time? Your argument holds zero logic.Most journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Yup... however with the population increasing far faster than infrastructure it doesn’t take a genius to see where things will end up.
Most journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
So which of our 3 cars should I get rid ofMost journeys are <5miles or something like that, some people would prefer £300 on a sparky scooter rather than the expense of a car.
You can be a car enthusiast and still have common sense
1) my wife’s evoque which is the only vehicle we can all sit in as a family of 4, that she uses daily for ferrying the children around
2) my smart car that I use to go into London in and for some business journeys as its very low emissions, very fuel efficient and easy to park
3) my R8 that I have wanted for 12 years and use occasionally at the weekend and to go to our office in on faster roads (as it’s safer and more comfortable than the smart) every now and again
Bear in mind I can fit all 3 on my drive and I can only drive one at a time.
jakesmith said:
So which of our 3 cars should I get rid of
1) my wife’s evoque which is the only vehicle we can all sit in as a family of 4, that she uses daily for ferrying the children around
2) my smart car that I use to go into London in and for some business journeys as its very low emissions, very fuel efficient and easy to park
3) my R8 that I have wanted for 12 years and use occasionally at the weekend and to go to our office in on faster roads (as it’s safer and more comfortable than the smart) every now and again
Bear in mind I can fit all 3 on my drive and I can only drive one at a time.
2 & 3. 1) my wife’s evoque which is the only vehicle we can all sit in as a family of 4, that she uses daily for ferrying the children around
2) my smart car that I use to go into London in and for some business journeys as its very low emissions, very fuel efficient and easy to park
3) my R8 that I have wanted for 12 years and use occasionally at the weekend and to go to our office in on faster roads (as it’s safer and more comfortable than the smart) every now and again
Bear in mind I can fit all 3 on my drive and I can only drive one at a time.
HTH
I know people like the whole ‘but my life relies on having a million cars’ and ‘I’ve worked hard for it so I deserve it’ stuff.
This is all very nice, but the larger picture is that the UK road network doesn't support the rate of growth of car ownership.
Cars have their place but driving to the train station or the mile or two to take the kids to school usually isn’t a need for a car. People have just got used to having a car to hand.
Electric scooters (as with pushbikes) are a good way of reducing that stress on the road network.
This is all very nice, but the larger picture is that the UK road network doesn't support the rate of growth of car ownership.
Cars have their place but driving to the train station or the mile or two to take the kids to school usually isn’t a need for a car. People have just got used to having a car to hand.
Electric scooters (as with pushbikes) are a good way of reducing that stress on the road network.
Captain Raymond Holt said:
jakesmith said:
So which of our 3 cars should I get rid of
1) my wife’s evoque which is the only vehicle we can all sit in as a family of 4, that she uses daily for ferrying the children around
2) my smart car that I use to go into London in and for some business journeys as its very low emissions, very fuel efficient and easy to park
3) my R8 that I have wanted for 12 years and use occasionally at the weekend and to go to our office in on faster roads (as it’s safer and more comfortable than the smart) every now and again
Bear in mind I can fit all 3 on my drive and I can only drive one at a time.
2 & 3. 1) my wife’s evoque which is the only vehicle we can all sit in as a family of 4, that she uses daily for ferrying the children around
2) my smart car that I use to go into London in and for some business journeys as its very low emissions, very fuel efficient and easy to park
3) my R8 that I have wanted for 12 years and use occasionally at the weekend and to go to our office in on faster roads (as it’s safer and more comfortable than the smart) every now and again
Bear in mind I can fit all 3 on my drive and I can only drive one at a time.
HTH
I have a need to get to multiple meetings around the UK on different days and different times. Most of my meetings are on business parks well outside cities and train / taxi journeys would take significantly longer. I need to be in my office at 7am on Mondays, public transport can not get me there in time and the journey is over 3 hours on 3 trains and a bus rather than 50 mins in the car.
My wife needs to ferry the kids around as for example one of the schools is 6 miles away and the other needs to be picked up / dropped off at similar times locally making a car the only way of doing it. Not through our choice. And we only have 4 busses a day where we live so completely in-feasible for my wife to not have a car. Our friends and things like the children's swimming lessons are distributed across the local area and car is the only way for her to get to them, same for the supermarket, hospital etc. We are within the M25 by the way not some rural outpost.
Why you think it would in some way be feasible for us to manage with 1 car I can not understand. Your uninformed point and my counter will apply to millions of households.
Why you think it would ease congestion for me to not have 2 cars when I can only drive 1 at a time I can not understand & regrettably can only be interpreted as a lack of intelligence on your part
What you're doing on Pistonheads, and how you're claiming to be a car enthusiast, I also can not understand. Why don't you try Mumsnet.
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Sounds like someone needs to explore virtual meetings a bit then 
Then you have less time to travel and more family time. Everyone wins.
The point stands that the road network can’t support more and more cars and lets be honest there’s only so many roads you can add an extra lane to.
I work in high tech and we use them all the time, they are certainly no silver bullet for addressing road congestion. Social interaction can not be replaced by virtual meetings. I wouldn't want my children to stay at home and have classes delivered by the computer to reduce road congestion. Then you have less time to travel and more family time. Everyone wins.The point stands that the road network can’t support more and more cars and lets be honest there’s only so many roads you can add an extra lane to.
There is a requirement to meet face to face especially with customers, this is driven by customers but also achieves a better outcome from a rapport, trust and openness perspective
We need to get together as a team weekly, the benefits of that contact outweigh the inconvenience and other factors, we work as a business that adds stimulus to the economy and that has its benefits too.
And what about the 95%+ of people who can't meet online as they do jobs that require being somewhere physically
A blanket limit on car ownership is a blunt instrument that would cause great harm. Electric scooters are not the answer outside of cities where I agree they would be great for reducing short taxi journeys and pressure on public transport. I used to use a manual on in London to commute in previous job and it worked well, kept me fit and was great fun.
The real issue is overpopulation, maybe you should explore that and look for some case studies where it has been made into state policy.
jakesmith said:
I'm afraid it doesn't help. You don't know or understand the circumstances of my, or likely many other people's lives. Instead you are making lazy assumptions and ridiculous extrapolations and assertions based on that
I have a need to get to multiple meetings around the UK on different days and different times. Most of my meetings are on business parks well outside cities and train / taxi journeys would take significantly longer. I need to be in my office at 7am on Mondays, public transport can not get me there in time and the journey is over 3 hours on 3 trains and a bus rather than 50 mins in the car.
My wife needs to ferry the kids around as for example one of the schools is 6 miles away and the other needs to be picked up / dropped off at similar times locally making a car the only way of doing it. Not through our choice. And we only have 4 busses a day where we live so completely in-feasible for my wife to not have a car. Our friends and things like the children's swimming lessons are distributed across the local area and car is the only way for her to get to them, same for the supermarket, hospital etc. We are within the M25 by the way not some rural outpost.
Why you think it would in some way be feasible for us to manage with 1 car I can not understand. Your uninformed point and my counter will apply to millions of households.
Why you think it would ease congestion for me to not have 2 cars when I can only drive 1 at a time I can not understand & regrettably can only be interpreted as a lack of intelligence on your part
What you're doing on Pistonheads, and how you're claiming to be a car enthusiast, I also can not understand. Why don't you try Mumsnet.
Did your parents have two cars, or there parents? If not how did they survive? I have a need to get to multiple meetings around the UK on different days and different times. Most of my meetings are on business parks well outside cities and train / taxi journeys would take significantly longer. I need to be in my office at 7am on Mondays, public transport can not get me there in time and the journey is over 3 hours on 3 trains and a bus rather than 50 mins in the car.
My wife needs to ferry the kids around as for example one of the schools is 6 miles away and the other needs to be picked up / dropped off at similar times locally making a car the only way of doing it. Not through our choice. And we only have 4 busses a day where we live so completely in-feasible for my wife to not have a car. Our friends and things like the children's swimming lessons are distributed across the local area and car is the only way for her to get to them, same for the supermarket, hospital etc. We are within the M25 by the way not some rural outpost.
Why you think it would in some way be feasible for us to manage with 1 car I can not understand. Your uninformed point and my counter will apply to millions of households.
Why you think it would ease congestion for me to not have 2 cars when I can only drive 1 at a time I can not understand & regrettably can only be interpreted as a lack of intelligence on your part
What you're doing on Pistonheads, and how you're claiming to be a car enthusiast, I also can not understand. Why don't you try Mumsnet.
Yes life as changed over time its changed to fit the car making it now hard to do without them. It doesn't mean it won't change again.
I don't agree with the one car policy idea. But do think these new forms of personal transport are a good idea.
I used to spend almost all my free time in my cars. Finish work which was 5 miles away and end up doing 50 miles taking the scenic route home. Every weekend I spent hours just driving around.
I very rarely do now because the roads are to busy and full of people pottering about taking Tarquin to dance class and so on. Something I used to enjoy as now become the opposite.
You can be a car enthusiasts and still advocate for less cars.
All the above underlines is the point about how we have become so accustomed to having (many) cars at our disposal.
For that to continue, as is, something else needs to change, I have a feeling it won’t be heavy investment in the road network. So what will...
Maybe there needs to be a change in mindset? Or could we end up in the position in x decades time where HGVs are given primacy, gotta keep t’ASDA stocked to feed the ever growing population!
For that to continue, as is, something else needs to change, I have a feeling it won’t be heavy investment in the road network. So what will...
Maybe there needs to be a change in mindset? Or could we end up in the position in x decades time where HGVs are given primacy, gotta keep t’ASDA stocked to feed the ever growing population!
Not-The-Messiah said:
Did your parents have two cars, or there parents? If not how did they survive?
Yes life as changed over time its changed to fit the car making it now hard to do without them. It doesn't mean it won't change again.
I don't agree with the one car policy idea. But do think these new forms of personal transport are a good idea.
I used to spend almost all my free time in my cars. Finish work which was 5 miles away and end up doing 50 miles taking the scenic route home. Every weekend I spent hours just driving around.
I very rarely do now because the roads are to busy and full of people pottering about taking Tarquin to dance class and so on. Something I used to enjoy as now become the opposite.
You can be a car enthusiasts and still advocate for less cars.
Yes my parents had 2 cars, 30 years ago, because my dad worked 8 miles away and worked long hours, and me and my sister ended up at different schools that were also several miles apartYes life as changed over time its changed to fit the car making it now hard to do without them. It doesn't mean it won't change again.
I don't agree with the one car policy idea. But do think these new forms of personal transport are a good idea.
I used to spend almost all my free time in my cars. Finish work which was 5 miles away and end up doing 50 miles taking the scenic route home. Every weekend I spent hours just driving around.
I very rarely do now because the roads are to busy and full of people pottering about taking Tarquin to dance class and so on. Something I used to enjoy as now become the opposite.
You can be a car enthusiasts and still advocate for less cars.
You seem to persevere with this uniformed stereotype of people driving 2 miles to work or half a mile to school. The reality is different to that. and drives demand for multiple car ownership.
You use of the name 'Tarquin' says it all about the supposed moral superiority you believe your views entitles you to, when really you have little or no working knowledge of the circumstances of the people's lives who you think you should be able to determine. I haven't seen anything remotely approaching a compelling argument or response to a single one of my points
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I know people like the whole ‘but my life relies on having a million cars’ and ‘I’ve worked hard for it so I deserve it’ stuff.
This is all very nice, but the larger picture is that the UK road network doesn't support the rate of growth of car ownership.
Cars have their place but driving to the train station or the mile or two to take the kids to school usually isn’t a need for a car. People have just got used to having a car to hand.
Electric scooters (as with pushbikes) are a good way of reducing that stress on the road network.
I assume your position is based on the fact that you can cope with one car? We have 4 adults in our household and certainly couldn't.This is all very nice, but the larger picture is that the UK road network doesn't support the rate of growth of car ownership.
Cars have their place but driving to the train station or the mile or two to take the kids to school usually isn’t a need for a car. People have just got used to having a car to hand.
Electric scooters (as with pushbikes) are a good way of reducing that stress on the road network.
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Paris has become overrun with the things. More electric scooters than rats.
They are ridden dangerously, without the rider wearing a helmet.
I’d make them legal but difficult - number plates, registered owner, 3rd party insurance, lights, indicators, helmet required. Can only be used on the road and in cycle paths, not pavements. Traffic infringements mean points on your licence. To be honest, I’d do the same for ebikes. And mobility scooters (though I’d allow them on the pavement).
EBikes are safer - bigger wheels. Escooters should be more challenging to hire than ebikes.
They are ridden dangerously, without the rider wearing a helmet.
I’d make them legal but difficult - number plates, registered owner, 3rd party insurance, lights, indicators, helmet required. Can only be used on the road and in cycle paths, not pavements. Traffic infringements mean points on your licence. To be honest, I’d do the same for ebikes. And mobility scooters (though I’d allow them on the pavement).
EBikes are safer - bigger wheels. Escooters should be more challenging to hire than ebikes.
Edited by AstonZagato on Sunday 4th August 11:01
Evanivitch said:
Legalisation and standardisation are key. They need to ensure they are:
- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems
But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.
I agree.- Limited to top speed the same as ebikes (14.5mph)
- Fitted with appropriate lights and pedestrian warning (I know every cyclist removes the bell)
- And have suitable braking systems
But the same can be said of everything from electric unicycles, electric roller skates or anything.
"I know every cyclist removes the bell" - why would they do this???
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Sounds like someone needs to explore virtual meetings a bit then Then you have less time to travel and more family time. Everyone wins.
The point stands that the road network can’t support more and more cars and lets be honest there’s only so many roads you can add an extra lane to.
Nice example of the arrogance of metropolitan thinking there. Then you have less time to travel and more family time. Everyone wins.The point stands that the road network can’t support more and more cars and lets be honest there’s only so many roads you can add an extra lane to.
Poor bugger. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/03/electr...
Expect to see a lot more of this. No mention if he was wearing a helmet :?
Watching FailArmy should be enough to convince most people that whacking you head after falling off stuff goes with the territory.
Your skull is not concrete proof sadly..
Expect to see a lot more of this. No mention if he was wearing a helmet :?
Watching FailArmy should be enough to convince most people that whacking you head after falling off stuff goes with the territory.
Your skull is not concrete proof sadly..
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