Discussion
V8covin said:
My local authority has been giving 100% business rate relief for small businesses for years. It certainly helped me to keep going during a rough patch a few years ago.
I'd imagine that would stop and I and all the other local small businesses would be worse off to the tune of thousands of pounds a year.
That's not to say business rates don't need reforming.The rates on pubs and retail premises in prime spots is extortionate
Its a fabulous way to crash the commercial property market.I'd imagine that would stop and I and all the other local small businesses would be worse off to the tune of thousands of pounds a year.
That's not to say business rates don't need reforming.The rates on pubs and retail premises in prime spots is extortionate
sugerbear said:
Another gender based insults. Quell surpose.
Hahaha, what a f**king melt!It was nothing of the sort.
Oh, and what was your second sentence? Putting an end to being superimposed?
Did you mean to put "quelle surprise"?
By the way, if you did mean the former you got your masculine and feminine the wrong way round anyway, which is a bit ironic.
JagLover said:
Its a bit rich Swinson complaining about fake news when their election literature is rammed to the rafters with fake illustrations of their polling and they are printing false information about opposing candidates. dangerousB said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but one of the Lib Dem's latest ideas is that they'll scrap business rates if they got into power.
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
"Burden them with higher running costs" being the Amazons of the world. Jo Swinson's speech to the CBI said:
"The Liberal Democrats are committed to supporting small businesses who are the engine of our economy. That's why the Liberal Democrats would scrap business rates and replace them with a commercial landowner levy.
It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
So let's get this straight, you realise that small businesses are the "engine of our economy", so what you'll do as part of your policy to give them greater help, is create legislation that will ultimately burden them with higher running costs.It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/08/amazo...
You are Jeff Bezos and ICMFP.
I would love to see what the tories are offering in response, but.. oh yeah.. they won't publish their manifesto until the last minute.
El stovey said:
Ayahuasca said:
The more I hear JS, the more she comes across to me as a whining, petulant, child.
Ooooh the big boys won’t play with me, take them to court!
Almost expect her to stamp her foot and threaten to scream and scream until she makes herself sick.
Seems unfair to only have the conservatives and labour in a televised debate. Loads of people are fed up of both parties and are looking for something else. Just having the two parties reinforces the dull old polarised 2 party politics blighting the U.K. Ooooh the big boys won’t play with me, take them to court!
Almost expect her to stamp her foot and threaten to scream and scream until she makes herself sick.
It will be good to hear the two main leaders for a decent length of time without needing to cut to parties that currently represent a fraction of the vote.
There are other debates coming up that do include her - including a 7-way (?) BBC one, we'll hear from her then.
Part of the problem was it wasn't just her trying to sue her way in, it was the SNP as well, and there ain't nobody south of Hadrian's Wall that's got time for them.
Anyway the Daily Mail today says that everytime voters hear from her, she turns more of them off.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7700887/V...
So probably in the party's favour that she stays away.
sugerbear said:
dangerousB said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but one of the Lib Dem's latest ideas is that they'll scrap business rates if they got into power.
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
"Burden them with higher running costs" being the Amazons of the world. Jo Swinson's speech to the CBI said:
"The Liberal Democrats are committed to supporting small businesses who are the engine of our economy. That's why the Liberal Democrats would scrap business rates and replace them with a commercial landowner levy.
It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
So let's get this straight, you realise that small businesses are the "engine of our economy", so what you'll do as part of your policy to give them greater help, is create legislation that will ultimately burden them with higher running costs.It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/08/amazo...
You are Jeff Bezos and ICMFP.
I would love to see what the tories are offering in response, but.. oh yeah.. they won't publish their manifesto until the last minute.
See my bold above - the Lib Dems are obviously NOT committed to supporting small businesses as is evident with this seriously flawed piece of policy.
It's almost as if they don't understand the problems they're trying to address.
Blackpuddin said:
Maybe she simply doesn't realise that even one-person businesses running as limited companies pay Corp Tax. Somebody should whisper in her ear and suggest some sort of qualifying size of business for these enhanced CT rates.
A good thing educationally speaking but a waste of time as Swinson will merely be heckling from the sidelines.Although a lifelong Tory voter (who'd have thought it?) I really like Jo Wimsome as a real breath of fresh air in politics. Sadly, and here's the rub, she is never ever going to be PM. There, I've said it, sorry.
What does a political party that have been 4th (or 5th, I can't remember) in the queue at PMQ's need to say that will persuade a sufficiently high number of voters in a GE to present themselves at the polling booth and decide to tick (X) that box?
Planting trees, cancelling Brexit, more money for xyz, or whatever, will not put them into power anytime soon, and suggesting they have a handle on the economics of even local taxation and spending is pure fantasy.
This isn't the answer for our country and anyone with half a brain can see through the BS, sorry Jo!
What does a political party that have been 4th (or 5th, I can't remember) in the queue at PMQ's need to say that will persuade a sufficiently high number of voters in a GE to present themselves at the polling booth and decide to tick (X) that box?
Planting trees, cancelling Brexit, more money for xyz, or whatever, will not put them into power anytime soon, and suggesting they have a handle on the economics of even local taxation and spending is pure fantasy.
This isn't the answer for our country and anyone with half a brain can see through the BS, sorry Jo!
So are small businesses really the "engine room" of the economy. Not really the point anyway.
Small businesses already get relief.
The bottom line is that nndr needs to generate £x billion of income a year to fund "stuff".
However it's cut, the end users of commercial services pay the tax.
Scraping nndr will cut a load of admin (not that the voa are particularly well funded), but the govt will need to start valuing commercial leases instead...
Though there is an argument perhaps about how bricks and mortar based businesses are losing out to online businesses when it comes to taxing commercial premises, but a lease tax/levy would still have the same issues?
Maybe they need more of a turnover levy.
Who knows.
Are the lib dems talking about adult social care costs yet? I recall that's what started to knock "strong and stable" off course.
If they've got any sense, candidates will avoid the topic like the plague (standard practice for the last 15 years or so)
Small businesses already get relief.
The bottom line is that nndr needs to generate £x billion of income a year to fund "stuff".
However it's cut, the end users of commercial services pay the tax.
Scraping nndr will cut a load of admin (not that the voa are particularly well funded), but the govt will need to start valuing commercial leases instead...
Though there is an argument perhaps about how bricks and mortar based businesses are losing out to online businesses when it comes to taxing commercial premises, but a lease tax/levy would still have the same issues?
Maybe they need more of a turnover levy.
Who knows.
Are the lib dems talking about adult social care costs yet? I recall that's what started to knock "strong and stable" off course.
If they've got any sense, candidates will avoid the topic like the plague (standard practice for the last 15 years or so)
dangerousB said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but one of the Lib Dem's latest ideas is that they'll scrap business rates if they got into power.
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
Jo Swinson's speech to the CBI said:
"The Liberal Democrats are committed to supporting small businesses who are the engine of our economy. That's why the Liberal Democrats would scrap business rates and replace them with a commercial landowner levy.
It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
So let's get this straight, you realise that small businesses are the "engine of our economy", so what you'll do as part of your policy to give them greater help, is create legislation that will ultimately burden them with higher running costs.It will shift the burden from the tenant to the landlord so that we can breathe new life into our high streets.
It is time for clear action that will give proper help to our small businesses."
Genius. Can't see the problem with that.
FFS. Idiots.
Ian Geary said:
So are small businesses really the "engine room" of the economy.
Well they're Jo Swinson's words not mine.Ian Geary said:
Small businesses already get relief.
They do now and that's the whole point.If the Lib Dem's had their way, they're saying they'd scrap NNDR and charge a "commercial landowner levy" to the land/premises owner.
All landlords will do is package that in the rent and pass it on. Small businesses currently eligible for rates relief wouldn't be under their proposals, so would end up paying their tax/levy. Ergo, higher overheads.
How is that giving "proper help to our small businesses"?
Ian Geary said:
Are the lib dems talking about adult social care costs yet?
No idea and tbh, I couldn't care less. Rolling out a manifesto policy which would punitively effect the very people they're purporting to help indicates to me that they're delusional and disconnected from the real world. Totally unelectable on that alone.If they can bring such a fundamentally flawed idea to the table affecting the "engine room of the economy", what other horrors have they got buried in their manifesto? Not sure I want to look.
I think they're just interested in grabbing a headline and hope that noone reads beyond it. May work with a proportion of the population I guess - more fool them.
Its going to destroy commercial letting as no one will take the risk of building a new site if they will get stung with an extra tax just for owning the properties.
If they cant find a tenant or lose the current one it could bankrupt them.
Imagine the impact of that policy in a recession, farmers would be destroying their small units usually rented out on site, this will mean nop propeties when the upturn comes.
Its just a crazy idea for multiple reasons, as is their proprty taxes to replace council tax.
If they cant find a tenant or lose the current one it could bankrupt them.
Imagine the impact of that policy in a recession, farmers would be destroying their small units usually rented out on site, this will mean nop propeties when the upturn comes.
Its just a crazy idea for multiple reasons, as is their proprty taxes to replace council tax.
jsf said:
Its going to destroy commercial letting as no one will take the risk of building a new site if they will get stung with an extra tax just for owning the properties.
If they cant find a tenant or lose the current one it could bankrupt them.
Imagine the impact of that policy in a recession, farmers would be destroying their small units usually rented out on site, this will mean nop propeties when the upturn comes.
Its just a crazy idea for multiple reasons, as is their proprty taxes to replace council tax.
Rich wIf they cant find a tenant or lose the current one it could bankrupt them.
Imagine the impact of that policy in a recession, farmers would be destroying their small units usually rented out on site, this will mean nop propeties when the upturn comes.
Its just a crazy idea for multiple reasons, as is their proprty taxes to replace council tax.
kers problems, cry me a riverVanden Saab said:
Did I actually hear that.... Jo just stated she would revoke Art 50 on her first day as PM... "I would just write and send the letter to the EU"
edit... not a letter an E-mail...
She did yes, and one of her ideas an example being one for childcare would go some way to pacify the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU and they would just accept the fact that Swinson had stolen their vote from 2016.edit... not a letter an E-mail...
Edited by Vanden Saab on Tuesday 19th November 22:07
stevensdrs said:
Vanden Saab said:
Did I actually hear that.... Jo just stated she would revoke Art 50 on her first day as PM... "I would just write and send the letter to the EU"
She did but being Prime Minister is not in her future.edit... too slow...
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