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Randy Winkman said:
El stovey said:
chrispmartha said:
I’ve not had a ‘pamphlet’ (great word, woefully under used), how have I being treated with contempt, and you’ll notice in my OP I said based on the interviews and debates from last night.
Although you’re open minded and looking at all the options, you’re probably not supporting HIS team so you’re now stupid or misled or being treated with contempt. You should be more polarised and reactionary like him and ignore his own sides dishonesty and then you’ll be ok.
At the moment the libdems appear to be, most aligned with my views, I’d be happy to see brexit cancelled but if labour were going to cancel brexit I wouldn’t vote for them because I think corbyn and McDonnell would be worse for the country than brexit.
Sure the libdems pamphlet looks misleading, as does the conservatives fact-check twitter or much of what Boris says or the brexit party immigration propaganda or the greens spending pledges and warnings.
If we don’t vote for anyone who says something misleading then there's nobody left to vote for, unless you ignore your own party’s lies of course.
Jo talked me out of voting LD today.
Small business rates relief, sending an email to revoke article 50 just two things that show they are not fit for government.
Least damaging seems to me the Boris bunch, the economy is my main priority as that is what supports everything else and the Conservatives seem to offer the safest pair of hands.
Small business rates relief, sending an email to revoke article 50 just two things that show they are not fit for government.
Least damaging seems to me the Boris bunch, the economy is my main priority as that is what supports everything else and the Conservatives seem to offer the safest pair of hands.
It is my opinion that in the leadership debate of last night Jo was the spiritual winner.
By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
techiedave said:
It is my opinion that in the leadership debate of last night Jo was the spiritual winner.
By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
I thought it was ITV who did not allow her to join in as the show was billed as a leaders debate, as in the leader of the opposition and the leader of the government.By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
gruffalo said:
techiedave said:
It is my opinion that in the leadership debate of last night Jo was the spiritual winner.
By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
I thought it was ITV who did not allow her to join in as the show was billed as a leaders debate, as in the leader of the opposition and the leader of the government.By not allowing her to participate she showed both labour and the Conservatives to be terrified of her and her parties appeal. This is not just a moral victory it is a true victory and one which will be recognised as such.
El stovey said:
We’ve both said we’ll probably vote Lib Dem. I’ve only ever voted conservatives in the past. Each election I weigh up the options and make a decision. I don’t automatically vote conservative, I might vote labour in future if they had a different leader or some more centrist policies. I still might even still vote conservative in this election.
That’s pretty much the definition of floating voter.
“nounBRITISH
noun: floating voter; plural noun: floating voters
a person who has not decided which way to vote in an election, or one who does not consistently vote for the same political party.
"the party leader stepped up his efforts to appeal to floating voters"”
Do your views change that much that 1 minute you align with the Tories and the next the Lib Dems, almost the polar opposite ?That’s pretty much the definition of floating voter.
“nounBRITISH
noun: floating voter; plural noun: floating voters
a person who has not decided which way to vote in an election, or one who does not consistently vote for the same political party.
"the party leader stepped up his efforts to appeal to floating voters"”
V8covin said:
El stovey said:
We’ve both said we’ll probably vote Lib Dem. I’ve only ever voted conservatives in the past. Each election I weigh up the options and make a decision. I don’t automatically vote conservative, I might vote labour in future if they had a different leader or some more centrist policies. I still might even still vote conservative in this election.
That’s pretty much the definition of floating voter.
“nounBRITISH
noun: floating voter; plural noun: floating voters
a person who has not decided which way to vote in an election, or one who does not consistently vote for the same political party.
"the party leader stepped up his efforts to appeal to floating voters"”
Do your views change that much that 1 minute you align with the Tories and the next the Lib Dems, almost the polar opposite ?That’s pretty much the definition of floating voter.
“nounBRITISH
noun: floating voter; plural noun: floating voters
a person who has not decided which way to vote in an election, or one who does not consistently vote for the same political party.
"the party leader stepped up his efforts to appeal to floating voters"”
V8covin said:
Do your views change that much that 1 minute you align with the Tories and the next the Lib Dems, almost the polar opposite ?
Speaking personally it's not always simply about policies.There are policies that appeal from all of the parties.
Sometimes you get into the characters involved and those might mean you can't bring yourself to vote a particular way.
I take the "polar opposite" point but equally I'm just as baffled by the blind obedience shown by many people to "their" party.
V8covin said:
Do your views change that much that 1 minute you align with the Tories and the next the Lib Dems, almost the polar opposite ?
They’re not the polar opposite at all. Only really in brexit but that’s not the main reason for everyone when voting, plenty of MPs have gone to the libdems from labour and the conservatives and if you’re a centrist conservative voter fed up with the direction the conservatives are going in and want to remain the libdems are perhaps the next best option.The libdems are nearer the conservatives than labour at the moment regarding the economy or taxation or social policies.
On the political spectrum from right to left we’ve got
brexit party, Conservative, libdem, labour, greens.
If you’re a centrist floating voter, the conservatives and libdems are probably the least extreme options.
This is how being a floating voter works, you’re not ideologically attached to a party. You just look around each election and make a decision. It’s like deciding what utility supplier to use or where to get your internet from.
Seems more sensible than following one party slavishly like a football team.
ETA conservatives and libdems least extreme options NOT conservatives and labour as I originally said by mistake.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th November 10:20
El stovey said:
They’re not the polar opposite at all. Only really in brexit but that’s not the main reason for everyone when voting, plenty of MPs have gone to the libdems from labour and the conservatives and if you’re a centrist conservative voter fed up with the direction the conservatives are going in and want to remain the libdems are perhaps the next best option.
The libdems are nearer the conservatives than labour at the moment regarding the economy or taxation or social policies.
On the political spectrum from right to left we’ve got
brexit party, Conservative, libdem, labour, greens.
If you’re a centrist floating voter, the conservatives and labour are probably the least extreme options.
The way I vote is... .which party aligns most with my views.If there are none I simply won't vote.The libdems are nearer the conservatives than labour at the moment regarding the economy or taxation or social policies.
On the political spectrum from right to left we’ve got
brexit party, Conservative, libdem, labour, greens.
If you’re a centrist floating voter, the conservatives and labour are probably the least extreme options.
I realise the Brexit dilemma puts a different angle on that and if you are an ardent remainer the Libs are really your only choice
V8covin said:
El stovey said:
They’re not the polar opposite at all. Only really in brexit but that’s not the main reason for everyone when voting, plenty of MPs have gone to the libdems from labour and the conservatives and if you’re a centrist conservative voter fed up with the direction the conservatives are going in and want to remain the libdems are perhaps the next best option.
The libdems are nearer the conservatives than labour at the moment regarding the economy or taxation or social policies.
On the political spectrum from right to left we’ve got
brexit party, Conservative, libdem, labour, greens.
If you’re a centrist floating voter, the conservatives and labour are probably the least extreme options.
The way I vote is... .which party aligns most with my views.If there are none I simply won't vote.The libdems are nearer the conservatives than labour at the moment regarding the economy or taxation or social policies.
On the political spectrum from right to left we’ve got
brexit party, Conservative, libdem, labour, greens.
If you’re a centrist floating voter, the conservatives and labour are probably the least extreme options.
I realise the Brexit dilemma puts a different angle on that and if you are an ardent remainer the Libs are really your only choice
Is there any point in voting Lib Dem? Serious (ish) question.
I mean, you may feel the Lib Dem policies align with your own values, or you may dislike the two main parties (yes this is an England-centric post) and you may vote Lib Dem on that basis and I understand that.
But they will not form the government. Their handful of MPs will be relegated to jumping up and down and heckling from the sidelines. You will have lost the opportunity of influencing who runs the country. Those policies you agree with and like so much? They will never be implemented.
The best you can hope for is a hung parliament and some kind of leverage over the balance of power, which will see you steam-rollered by your bigger, stronger partner and forced to make compromises that go against your principles (see last time). Is that what it is all about?
Is a vote for the Lib Dem’s a mere protest vote, similar in effect (none) to a spoilt ballot?
I mean, you may feel the Lib Dem policies align with your own values, or you may dislike the two main parties (yes this is an England-centric post) and you may vote Lib Dem on that basis and I understand that.
But they will not form the government. Their handful of MPs will be relegated to jumping up and down and heckling from the sidelines. You will have lost the opportunity of influencing who runs the country. Those policies you agree with and like so much? They will never be implemented.
The best you can hope for is a hung parliament and some kind of leverage over the balance of power, which will see you steam-rollered by your bigger, stronger partner and forced to make compromises that go against your principles (see last time). Is that what it is all about?
Is a vote for the Lib Dem’s a mere protest vote, similar in effect (none) to a spoilt ballot?
Ayahuasca said:
Is there any point in voting Lib Dem? Serious (ish) question.
I mean, you may feel the Lib Dem policies align with your own values, or you may dislike the two main parties (yes this is an England-centric post) and you may vote Lib Dem on that basis and I understand that.
But they will not form the government. Their handful of MPs will be relegated to jumping up and down and heckling from the sidelines. You will have lost the opportunity of influencing who runs the country. Those policies you agree with and like so much? They will never be implemented.
The best you can hope for is a hung parliament and some kind of leverage over the balance of power, which will see you steam-rollered by your bigger, stronger partner and forced to make compromises that go against your principles (see last time). Is that what it is all about?
Is a vote for the Lib Dem’s a mere protest vote, similar in effect (none) to a spoilt ballot?
If everyone thought like that, nothing would ever change. You just get safe seats and crap MPs parachuted into them who know little about your area. I mean, you may feel the Lib Dem policies align with your own values, or you may dislike the two main parties (yes this is an England-centric post) and you may vote Lib Dem on that basis and I understand that.
But they will not form the government. Their handful of MPs will be relegated to jumping up and down and heckling from the sidelines. You will have lost the opportunity of influencing who runs the country. Those policies you agree with and like so much? They will never be implemented.
The best you can hope for is a hung parliament and some kind of leverage over the balance of power, which will see you steam-rollered by your bigger, stronger partner and forced to make compromises that go against your principles (see last time). Is that what it is all about?
Is a vote for the Lib Dem’s a mere protest vote, similar in effect (none) to a spoilt ballot?
Because most people do vote like you’re suggesting we have our rubbish two party system with the parties bickering and lying and fighting over a few marginal seats.
People voting for the brexit party, despite them never winning a seat has probably influenced the Conservative party and likely also led to the brexit referendum.
Most of the polarisation on here is just tribal identity politics and wanting your team to win so you can gloat after an election or any other perceived win and rubbish the other side when they slip up or do anything you don’t like.
TheRealNoNeedy said:
We have people on here saying we should not take the piss out of Swinson for her looks
and yet the LibDum press office tweet this
I think the advert (if it is an advert) isn’t saying vote for her as she’s hot, they’re saying she might be an optimistic alternative to the same old grey men of the main parties. and yet the LibDum press office tweet this
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
I think the advert (if it is an advert) isn’t saying vote for her as she’s hot, they’re saying she might be an optimistic alternative to the same old grey men of the main parties. Robertj21a said:
El stovey said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
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