Jo Swinson

[crankedup]

deadslow said:

chrispmartha said:

funkyrobot said:

You are proposing to scrap the bedroom tax?

Yes.

Who voted nine times for the bedroom tax?

Errrrrm, me.



Holy st. She is terrible.

Except she didn't just say erm, me did she, she said it was a mistake yet AN kept pushing the same line of questioning and she calmly answered him. I think AN was thinking it was some big 'gotcha' moment but it really wasn't.

Personal bias will probably reflect how we see these interviews but it was in no way the car crash some on here will make out, IMHO.

I'm actually really disappointed with how the Lib Dems have campaigned as I think it's been an opportunity missed by them.

agree with this. Watched to see the car crash, and it didn't happen. Her openness and honestly disarmed Brillo. She went up in my estimation. Some wont agree, but their preferred candidate doesn't stand up to scrutiny, so hides, relying on the core vote (read: tribalist morons).

Seems to me that the AN interview with swinson revealed that she is another politician that changes her stance on policy with the change in wind direction. She was left with zero option but to admit that she says one thing to the electorate and another opposite in the HoC.

[anonymous-user]

crankedup said:

Seems to me that the AN interview with swinson revealed that she is another politician that changes her stance on policy with the change in wind direction. She was left with zero option but to admit that she says one thing to the electorate and another opposite in the HoC.

It’s doesn’t say that at all. She made a decision based on the information she had at the time and later decided (and admitted) it was a mistake.

What’s wrong with that?

[amusingduck]

El stovey said:

crankedup said:

Seems to me that the AN interview with swinson revealed that she is another politician that changes her stance on policy with the change in wind direction. She was left with zero option but to admit that she says one thing to the electorate and another opposite in the HoC.

It’s doesn’t say that at all. She made a decision based on the information she had at the time and later decided (and admitted) it was a mistake.

What’s wrong with that?

Doing it 8 more times?

[ATG]

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

[Hereward]

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

Sure, but if you don’t want Corbyn in you simply have to vote Tory. Voting Lib Dem is a wasted vote in this regard.

[JagLover]

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

……………...who hasn't been reading the Economist for the last decade or so and is unaware of their stance on most of the issues of the day.

[crankedup]

amusingduck said:

El stovey said:

crankedup said:

Seems to me that the AN interview with swinson revealed that she is another politician that changes her stance on policy with the change in wind direction. She was left with zero option but to admit that she says one thing to the electorate and another opposite in the HoC.

It’s doesn’t say that at all. She made a decision based on the information she had at the time and later decided (and admitted) it was a mistake.

What’s wrong with that?

Doing it 8 more times?

I was going to respond with ‘making a habit of it’.

[Digga]

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

IMHO the Economist, like the FT, has been consistently left of centre and anti-Brexit for last few years. Not a bad read, but they were never pro-capitalist Tory.

[JagLover]

Digga said:

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

IMHO the Economist, like the FT, has been consistently left of centre and anti-Brexit for last few years. Not a bad read, but they were never pro-capitalist Tory.

Started out reading them in the mid nineties and they seemed far more middle of the road and pro capitalism back then. Probably one of the best publications in the British media back then.

[anonymous-user]

Hereward said:

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

Sure, but if you don’t want Corbyn in you simply have to vote Tory. Voting Lib Dem is a wasted vote in this regard.

That logic is exactly why we have tribal politics and safe seats and crap elections with everyone fighting over a few marginals. This is the worst election in recent history. Maybe if people just looked at the individual parties and their policies we might have something better than we have now.

[anonymous-user]

She just got torn another new one on Radio 4 Womens' Hour. Yes, Womens' Hour, I was listening!
Ridiculed for not speaking out about sexual harassment (a prominent case) in her own party when she was women and equality minister.
Lambasted for taking potshots at BoJos family and family life yesterday, and questioned whether she though BoJo would be sexist if he questioned her own parenting skills.

She'll be gone. Very soon.

[LimaDelta]

Digga said:

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

IMHO the Economist, like the FT, has been consistently left of centre and anti-Brexit for last few years. Not a bad read, but they were never pro-capitalist Tory.

Ever since Zanny Minton Beddoes took over the helm it has moved further left too IMHO. I stopped my subscription when every issue seemed to be an HRC advertorial.

It has never been a Tory publication in my readership.

[richie99]

LimaDelta said:

Ever since Zanny Minton Beddoes took over the helm it has moved further left too IMHO. I stopped my subscription when every issue seemed to be an HRC advertorial.

It has never been a Tory publication in my readership.

Agree entirely. New left biased editor brings left bias. Still worth reading but I do get a bit fed up with the unadulterated climate change propaganda amongst other things.

[dandarez]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I'll get in early (did before Jo became Leader) again with my same prediction: 'it will be...'
Layla (it's just your foolish pride) Moran.

She missed out last time when her fisticuffs with boyfriend was leaked by The Telegraph, but she'll get the job this time.
That's if Chuckitin Ummoana doesn't spoil her party.

Won't make any difference, they still won't get the votes

[Drihump Trolomite]

MC Bodge said:

Burwood said:

That's because their party has nothing new to offer other than stop brexit. I wouldn't say determined. I would suggest desperate, hence the constant deceit and fakery.

A summary of The Lib Dem Manifesto:

????? £50bn Remain Bonus for public services
?? Policy for Climate Emergency
? Policy for tackling inequality
?? 10bn per year for schools, to pay for:
????? 20,000 more teachers.
?? 35hrs of free childcare from 9 months
?? £10,000 for every adult to spend on education or training
?? Mental health treated the same as physical health
?? Build 300,000 homes a year
????? 1p on income tax for NHS
?? Restore Youth Services
?? Ban all non-essential non-recyclable single-use plastics
?? 80% of electricity from renewables by 2030
?? Insulate all low-income homes by 2025
0?? Net zero carbon emissions by 2045 (reasonable & radical)
? Cut carbon emissions by 75% by 2030
?? Restore Department for Climate Change
?? New Green Investment Bank
?? Citizens’ Climate Assembly
?? Just Transition Commission to make economic changes fair
?? Ban fracking
?? Invest in Carbon Capture Technology
?? Subsidise solar power
?? End ban on onshore wind turbines
0?? Zero-carbon Homes Standard
?? Reduce fuel poverty
? Ban new petrol and diesel cars from 2030
?? Reduce VAT on electric cars
?? Convert rail network to ultra-low emission by 2035
?? Expand rail capacity
?? No net-increase in airport runways
?? Cancel Heathrow 3rd runway
????? Support farmers to cut greenhouse gasses
?? Plant 60m trees per year
?? Policy to improve biodiversity and restore nature
????? Reward farmers for contributing to nature
?? Pass Clean Air Act
?? More electric car charging points
?? Scrappage Scheme for diesel cars
?? Innovative National Bus Strategy
?? Support HS2 and HS3 to grow regional economies
? Increase accountability and transparency of HS2 and HS3
?? Force retailers to reduce plastic
?? Deposit return scheme for food and drink containers
? End plastic waste exports by 2030
? Invest in UK recycling
?? Extra funding for pupils with extra needs
????? Extend pupil premium to 16-19yrs
? Reduce teacher stress and workload
?? End ‘teaching to the test’
? Scrap SATs and league tables
?? Replace Ofsted with schools watchdog
?? Emergency 2.5bn cash injection for schools
?? Bring per-pupil funding back to pre-cuts levels
?? Increase starting salary for teachers to £30k by 2022
?? Invest in and repair school buildings
?? Extra funding for SEND children
?? Abolish ‘learning tax’ by allowing colleges VAT-refund that schools get
?? Professional Development Plan for teachers offering 50-hours per year by 2050
?? Oppose expansion of Grammar Schools
?? Mental health and other ‘curriculum for life’ education in schools
?? Establish a curriculum body independent of government
?? Free school meals for all Primary children
?? Free school meals for Secondary children in Universal Credit families
?? Promote School Breakfast Clubs
?? LGBTQ-inclusive education
? Support schools in dealing with mental health
? Tackle bullying in schools
?? Including bullying on the basis of gender, sexuality, gender identity or gender expression
?? Enable gender-neutral uniform options
?? Invest in more Youth Workers
?? Reverse cuts to public health spending
?? Commission on long-term NHS funding
?? Roll out PrEP (HIV prevention drugs) across the NHS
?? Dedicated Health & Social Care Tax
?? Investment in hospitals from £100bn capital fund
?? 100% of young people with mental health conditions treated target
?? Free prescriptions for chronic mental health conditions
? More mental health waiting time targets
?? No unreasonable travel for mental health treatment
?? Prioritise getting young people out of care
?? Mental health provisions at College and University
?? Implement Wessely review (requires a google)
?? Ensure emergency mental health bed is always available
?? Expand access to Local GPs
?? Guarantee same-day phone of video appointment with GP
?? Mental health nurse bursaries
?? Drugs as a health issue not crime
????? End Government £30k earnings threshold for overseas NHS workers
????? More flexible working for Junior Doctors
? Mental health support for NHS workers
?? Make healthy eating choices easier
?? Introduce ‘Wellbeing Hour’
??Every family single maternity health professional by 2025
?? Partners paid leave to attend prenatal appointments
?? Investment in People, Innovation & Infrastructure with responsible £100bn package
?? £5bn into new British Housing & Infrastructure Development Bank
?? Protect research funding
?? Decentralise and devolve procurement
?? Invest in digital and physical infrastructure
?? Achieve dynamic local economies with good transport
?? Expand British Business Bank
?? Re-balance UK economy geographically
?? Make Youth Services statutory
?? Policy to tackle knife crime
????? Fund retraining and re-skilling for adults
????? ‘Start-up allowance’ of £100/wk for new entrepreneurs
?? £1bn community policing investment
?? 2 new police officers per ward
????? Police officers visible and known to local community
? Tackle cycle of violence epidemic
?? £500m investment in Youth Services
?? Transform prisons to focus on rehabilitation and recovery
?? End prison sentences for personal drug use
?? End short prison sentences
?? Increase tough community sentences
?? Protect Europol
? Scrap Hostile Environment
?? Create private information firewall between home office and public services
????? ‘Training up Britain’ programme for migrants
?? Stop the profiting from child citizen registration
? Abolish arbitrary minimum income for partner visas
?? Move visa powers from Home Office to Deps for Education and Business and Development
?? Create flexible merit-based visa system
?? 2-year visa for students after graduation
????? Allow asylum seekers to work providing dignity and paying taxes
? Close seven of nine detention centres
?? Resettle 10,000 refugees per year in the UK
??????????? Expand family reunion rights
?? Offer asylum to LGBT+ globally
?? Free basic English lessons to refugees and asylum seekers
???? Protect free movement in Europe by staying in EU
?? 100,000 social rent homes built each year
?? All new houses built to zero carbon standards by 2021
?? Allow local authorities to purchase more land for housing
?? Power to reject unsustainable housing builds
?? Creation of new Garden Cities
?? Acquire more land into public ownership
? Close second-home tax loopholes
? Increase second-home council tax by up to 500%
?? Introduce revolutionary Rent to Own model
?? ‘Help to Rent’ deposit loans for first time renters
?? Longer rental tenancies 3yr+
?? Limit rent hikes to inflation
?? Mandatory landlord licensing
?? Unfreeze housing benefits
?? Reform section 21 removing ‘no fault evictions’
?? Adequate funding for age-appropriate emergency housing for homeless
?? Provide house to long term homeless through Housing First model
?? First benefit payment after 5-days not 5-weeks
?? Scrap 2-child benefit limit
? Abolish scandalous rape clause for benefits
? Remove benefit cap, which hurts the most vulnerable
? Make work pay: increase work benefit allowances
?? Provide security for zero-hour contracts
?? Compensation for WASPI women
?? Better pensions for gig economy workers
?? Retain Triple Lock on basic state pension
? Better Universal Credit for self employed
????? Better back-to-work support for unemployed
?? Ensure pensions don’t penalise part time workers towards end of career
?? Promote liberal values, human rights and democracy globally
?? Lead globally with EU, UN, Nato and Commonwealth
? Spend 0.7% of gross national income on foreign aid
?? Promote UN Sustainable Development Goals
?? Curtail arms exports to those that violate human rights
?? Suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia immediately
?? Tackle democratic interference with European Magnitsky Act
? Maintain minimal nuclear deterrent
? Spend 2% of GDP on self defence as per NATO recommendations
?? Support for Armed Forces and veterans’ mental health
?? Improve housing for MoD employees
???????? Condemn violence an all sides of Israeli-Palestine conflict
???????? Remain committed to negotiated peace settlement in Israeli-Palestine conflict
? Tackle gender inequality
? End Female Genital Mutilation
? End sexual violence in conflict zones
?????? Protect LGBT+ that are persecuted globally
?? Defend Human Rights Act
?? Halt facial recognition surveillance
?? End ‘Snoopers’ Charter’ and bulk collection of internet data
?? Make all hate crimes “aggravated offences”
?? Condemn inflammatory rhetoric by those with public platforms
?? Combat violence against women and domestic violence
? Legislate for statutory definition of domestic abuse
?? Expand refugee and rape crisis centres
?? Give LA’s duty and funding to accommodate survivors of abuse
?? Establish National Rape Crisis Helpline
?? Require orgs with 250+ employees publish equality data
?? Increase paternity leave to six weeks
?? Legislate to scrap gender price gap on all products
????? Set ambitious diverse public appointment targets
?? End disproportionate use of Stop and Search
?? End period poverty with free sanitary products for girls
?????? Fight for Trans rights
?? Complete reform of the Gender Recognition Act
? Introduce ‘X’ gender option on passports
?? Extend equality law to cover gender identity and expression
?? Introduce fair votes via Proportional Representation
?? A written constitution to make democracy stronger
?? Give people the power to elect the House of Lords
?? Votes from age 16
???? Votes to British citizens abroad
???? Votes for long-term EU citizens
?? Devolve power to local authorities
?? Devolve revenue raising from Westminster
?? Flexible local tax systems
?? Champion Northern Powerhouse and Midlands Engine
??Give customers the ability to hold utilities to account
?? Support for local energy cooperatives and community banks
?? Cap donations to political parties at £10k
?? Give trade-union members right to specify Party that receives their levy

Did you have to post it rather than linking it?

[motco]

richie99 said:

LimaDelta said:

Ever since Zanny Minton Beddoes took over the helm it has moved further left too IMHO. I stopped my subscription when every issue seemed to be an HRC advertorial.

It has never been a Tory publication in my readership.

Agree entirely. New left biased editor brings left bias. Still worth reading but I do get a bit fed up with the unadulterated climate change propaganda amongst other things.

That's exactly why I gave up on the Independent - it ceased to be as its masthead states.

[Supercilious Sid]

motco said:

That's exactly why I gave up on the Independent - it ceased to be as its masthead states.

Its an irreftable fact that most of the print, broadcast and on-line media have this slant. Cue now for some arse wittering on about Murdoch and the Daily Mail.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Drihump Trolomite said:

MC Bodge said:

Burwood said:

That's because their party has nothing new to offer other than stop brexit. I wouldn't say determined. I would suggest desperate, hence the constant deceit and fakery.

A summary of The Lib Dem Manifesto:

????? £50bn Remain Bonus for public services
?? Policy for Climate Emergency
? Policy for tackling inequality
?? 10bn per year for schools, to pay for:
????? 20,000 more teachers.
?? 35hrs of free childcare from 9 months
?? £10,000 for every adult to spend on education or training
?? Mental health treated the same as physical health
?? Build 300,000 homes a year
????? 1p on income tax for NHS
?? Restore Youth Services
?? Ban all non-essential non-recyclable single-use plastics
?? 80% of electricity from renewables by 2030
?? Insulate all low-income homes by 2025
0?? Net zero carbon emissions by 2045 (reasonable & radical)
? Cut carbon emissions by 75% by 2030
?? Restore Department for Climate Change
?? New Green Investment Bank
?? Citizens’ Climate Assembly
?? Just Transition Commission to make economic changes fair
?? Ban fracking
?? Invest in Carbon Capture Technology
?? Subsidise solar power
?? End ban on onshore wind turbines
0?? Zero-carbon Homes Standard
?? Reduce fuel poverty
? Ban new petrol and diesel cars from 2030
?? Reduce VAT on electric cars
?? Convert rail network to ultra-low emission by 2035
?? Expand rail capacity
?? No net-increase in airport runways
?? Cancel Heathrow 3rd runway
????? Support farmers to cut greenhouse gasses
?? Plant 60m trees per year
?? Policy to improve biodiversity and restore nature
????? Reward farmers for contributing to nature
?? Pass Clean Air Act
?? More electric car charging points
?? Scrappage Scheme for diesel cars
?? Innovative National Bus Strategy
?? Support HS2 and HS3 to grow regional economies
? Increase accountability and transparency of HS2 and HS3
?? Force retailers to reduce plastic
?? Deposit return scheme for food and drink containers
? End plastic waste exports by 2030
? Invest in UK recycling
?? Extra funding for pupils with extra needs
????? Extend pupil premium to 16-19yrs
? Reduce teacher stress and workload
?? End ‘teaching to the test’
? Scrap SATs and league tables
?? Replace Ofsted with schools watchdog
?? Emergency 2.5bn cash injection for schools
?? Bring per-pupil funding back to pre-cuts levels
?? Increase starting salary for teachers to £30k by 2022
?? Invest in and repair school buildings
?? Extra funding for SEND children
?? Abolish ‘learning tax’ by allowing colleges VAT-refund that schools get
?? Professional Development Plan for teachers offering 50-hours per year by 2050
?? Oppose expansion of Grammar Schools
?? Mental health and other ‘curriculum for life’ education in schools
?? Establish a curriculum body independent of government
?? Free school meals for all Primary children
?? Free school meals for Secondary children in Universal Credit families
?? Promote School Breakfast Clubs
?? LGBTQ-inclusive education
? Support schools in dealing with mental health
? Tackle bullying in schools
?? Including bullying on the basis of gender, sexuality, gender identity or gender expression
?? Enable gender-neutral uniform options
?? Invest in more Youth Workers
?? Reverse cuts to public health spending
?? Commission on long-term NHS funding
?? Roll out PrEP (HIV prevention drugs) across the NHS
?? Dedicated Health & Social Care Tax
?? Investment in hospitals from £100bn capital fund
?? 100% of young people with mental health conditions treated target
?? Free prescriptions for chronic mental health conditions
? More mental health waiting time targets
?? No unreasonable travel for mental health treatment
?? Prioritise getting young people out of care
?? Mental health provisions at College and University
?? Implement Wessely review (requires a google)
?? Ensure emergency mental health bed is always available
?? Expand access to Local GPs
?? Guarantee same-day phone of video appointment with GP
?? Mental health nurse bursaries
?? Drugs as a health issue not crime
????? End Government £30k earnings threshold for overseas NHS workers
????? More flexible working for Junior Doctors
? Mental health support for NHS workers
?? Make healthy eating choices easier
?? Introduce ‘Wellbeing Hour’
??Every family single maternity health professional by 2025
?? Partners paid leave to attend prenatal appointments
?? Investment in People, Innovation & Infrastructure with responsible £100bn package
?? £5bn into new British Housing & Infrastructure Development Bank
?? Protect research funding
?? Decentralise and devolve procurement
?? Invest in digital and physical infrastructure
?? Achieve dynamic local economies with good transport
?? Expand British Business Bank
?? Re-balance UK economy geographically
?? Make Youth Services statutory
?? Policy to tackle knife crime
????? Fund retraining and re-skilling for adults
????? ‘Start-up allowance’ of £100/wk for new entrepreneurs
?? £1bn community policing investment
?? 2 new police officers per ward
????? Police officers visible and known to local community
? Tackle cycle of violence epidemic
?? £500m investment in Youth Services
?? Transform prisons to focus on rehabilitation and recovery
?? End prison sentences for personal drug use
?? End short prison sentences
?? Increase tough community sentences
?? Protect Europol
? Scrap Hostile Environment
?? Create private information firewall between home office and public services
????? ‘Training up Britain’ programme for migrants
?? Stop the profiting from child citizen registration
? Abolish arbitrary minimum income for partner visas
?? Move visa powers from Home Office to Deps for Education and Business and Development
?? Create flexible merit-based visa system
?? 2-year visa for students after graduation
????? Allow asylum seekers to work providing dignity and paying taxes
? Close seven of nine detention centres
?? Resettle 10,000 refugees per year in the UK
??????????? Expand family reunion rights
?? Offer asylum to LGBT+ globally
?? Free basic English lessons to refugees and asylum seekers
???? Protect free movement in Europe by staying in EU
?? 100,000 social rent homes built each year
?? All new houses built to zero carbon standards by 2021
?? Allow local authorities to purchase more land for housing
?? Power to reject unsustainable housing builds
?? Creation of new Garden Cities
?? Acquire more land into public ownership
? Close second-home tax loopholes
? Increase second-home council tax by up to 500%
?? Introduce revolutionary Rent to Own model
?? ‘Help to Rent’ deposit loans for first time renters
?? Longer rental tenancies 3yr+
?? Limit rent hikes to inflation
?? Mandatory landlord licensing
?? Unfreeze housing benefits
?? Reform section 21 removing ‘no fault evictions’
?? Adequate funding for age-appropriate emergency housing for homeless
?? Provide house to long term homeless through Housing First model
?? First benefit payment after 5-days not 5-weeks
?? Scrap 2-child benefit limit
? Abolish scandalous rape clause for benefits
? Remove benefit cap, which hurts the most vulnerable
? Make work pay: increase work benefit allowances
?? Provide security for zero-hour contracts
?? Compensation for WASPI women
?? Better pensions for gig economy workers
?? Retain Triple Lock on basic state pension
? Better Universal Credit for self employed
????? Better back-to-work support for unemployed
?? Ensure pensions don’t penalise part time workers towards end of career
?? Promote liberal values, human rights and democracy globally
?? Lead globally with EU, UN, Nato and Commonwealth
? Spend 0.7% of gross national income on foreign aid
?? Promote UN Sustainable Development Goals
?? Curtail arms exports to those that violate human rights
?? Suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia immediately
?? Tackle democratic interference with European Magnitsky Act
? Maintain minimal nuclear deterrent
? Spend 2% of GDP on self defence as per NATO recommendations
?? Support for Armed Forces and veterans’ mental health
?? Improve housing for MoD employees
???????? Condemn violence an all sides of Israeli-Palestine conflict
???????? Remain committed to negotiated peace settlement in Israeli-Palestine conflict
? Tackle gender inequality
? End Female Genital Mutilation
? End sexual violence in conflict zones
?????? Protect LGBT+ that are persecuted globally
?? Defend Human Rights Act
?? Halt facial recognition surveillance
?? End ‘Snoopers’ Charter’ and bulk collection of internet data
?? Make all hate crimes “aggravated offences”
?? Condemn inflammatory rhetoric by those with public platforms
?? Combat violence against women and domestic violence
? Legislate for statutory definition of domestic abuse
?? Expand refugee and rape crisis centres
?? Give LA’s duty and funding to accommodate survivors of abuse
?? Establish National Rape Crisis Helpline
?? Require orgs with 250+ employees publish equality data
?? Increase paternity leave to six weeks
?? Legislate to scrap gender price gap on all products
????? Set ambitious diverse public appointment targets
?? End disproportionate use of Stop and Search
?? End period poverty with free sanitary products for girls
?????? Fight for Trans rights
?? Complete reform of the Gender Recognition Act
? Introduce ‘X’ gender option on passports
?? Extend equality law to cover gender identity and expression
?? Introduce fair votes via Proportional Representation
?? A written constitution to make democracy stronger
?? Give people the power to elect the House of Lords
?? Votes from age 16
???? Votes to British citizens abroad
???? Votes for long-term EU citizens
?? Devolve power to local authorities
?? Devolve revenue raising from Westminster
?? Flexible local tax systems
?? Champion Northern Powerhouse and Midlands Engine
??Give customers the ability to hold utilities to account
?? Support for local energy cooperatives and community banks
?? Cap donations to political parties at £10k
?? Give trade-union members right to specify Party that receives their levy

Did you have to post it rather than linking it?

After going through that lot, I am now certain I wont be voting for the liberally undemocratic party!

[Paul Dishman]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Indeed, an absolute car crash of an interview, I was listening too. One of the pleasures of being retired

Edited by Paul Dishman on Friday 6th December 12:29

[Hereward]

El stovey said:

Hereward said:

ATG said:

The Economist (bastion of Adam Smith free market liberalism) rejects both Labour and the Conservatives and backs the Lib Dems at this general election.

That should give any prospective Tory voter pause for thought.

Sure, but if you don’t want Corbyn in you simply have to vote Tory. Voting Lib Dem is a wasted vote in this regard.

That logic is exactly why we have tribal politics and safe seats and crap elections with everyone fighting over a few marginals. This is the worst election in recent history. Maybe if people just looked at the individual parties and their policies we might have something better than we have now.

Absolutely. This election is simply choosing capitalism or communism.