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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,077 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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amusingduck said:
vaud said:
I'm not stooping to your level.

Let it go.
...let it gooooooooooo

vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.

To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie" - her word for the night/dark

Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,077 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.

To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"

Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
rofl

Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count” banghead

Blackpuddin

16,409 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party.
I don't know if this is a local thing or their whole-party stance but the Green candidate I was going to vote for has made a similar error by taking a double line of 'no to climate chaos, yes to Europe'. It's almost as if they don't realise that they're shaving off great lumps of potential voters.

blueg33

35,586 posts

223 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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MC Bodge said:
Munter said:
El stovey said:
blueg33 said:
MX6 said:
They have one main headline grabbing policy which has got the attention, it's good that there is a umabiguously remain party option to vote for. Their other policies all seem to be sensible and moderate, they are not particularly eye catching but they are not making the same kind of money spending pledges as other parties, which is a big plus as far as I'm concerned.

I've voted Conservative in the past due me perceiving them to be the most sensible economically, and generally social liberal. These days it seems to me that it's the Lib Dem's that fit this description better than the other parties, especially since I personally don't see the economic merits of leaving the EU outweighing the positives of remaining.

I don't see Swinson as PM material but there is no chance of her leading a majority government anyway.
That’s pretty much my take on it. I have voted Tory for 36 years and this is the first time that I don’t think they are the most economically sensible and I blame them and Brexit nonsense for the economic decline that we are seeing. The current Tory MPs are thinking of their own prejudices rather than what’s best for the economy.
Same here.
I appear to be part of your collective.

I'm going to be interested to see what overall % of voters chose LD. Imagine if 51% of voters voted LD, running on a single issue of stop Brexit. That would send a message even if they came away with no more seats.
There are a lot of people with a similar view.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Despite the fact that I think the Lib dems actually have the most sensible policies and for the first time ever they have had my vote, I don't think seeing how the Lib Dems will pan out will be anything other than we all expect - basically the same as always, also rans. Which is a shame.

I have always been adamant that that ones right to vote should be exercised and that our system was just about fit for purpose. But looking at the motley bunch of idiots, liars and lightweights that are likely to get into power I also most didn't vote and am beginning to think that we need a system that doesn't end up with just 2 parties likely to have a chance, and that chance is mostly down to the way people have been raised to think they should vote rather than what the parties are actually proposing.

MX6

5,983 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Well hard to diagree with a lot of what's being posted, there seems to danger of reaching some sort of a consensus on this thread, or at least in the last few pages since I've been posting. Have I come to the right place, is this PH? Is everyone feeling okay?

Dakkon

7,826 posts

252 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.

To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"

Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
rofl

Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count” banghead
To offer some additional light relief, our smallest has learnt the number one and car and she will walk along going 'One car', 'One car' and pointing, however if you say the two words quickly and your are pointing at the road and maybe pointing at people the other side of the road you can get some very strange looks.

Our middle child also asked me, why does Mummy say 'Anchor' all the time in the car.....

Amateurish

7,697 posts

221 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party. Partly because it's undemocratic to challenge a binary referendum result with a multi-party general election, and secondly because she can't deliver it anyway.
Nobody, least of all the LDs, think that they are going to get a majority and revoke article 50.

bazza white

3,551 posts

127 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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I'm voting lib dems. Brexit less of a concern tbh but you have labour ban/get rid/nationalise instead of sorting the issues and financial incompetence or Tories throw a few quid at it and bury your head in the sand for the next few years to any problems.


Some lib dem policies I dont agree with as with any party but they wont trash the economy and it would be a bit more friendly society with libdems leading for a few years.

Boris and corbyn are both toxic.





Edited by bazza white on Wednesday 11th December 15:55

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

211 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.
What if 18 million people had voted to do that?

I don't think they will. But as a thought experiment. What if the majority of the voting population voted for a party with basically a single policy to stop Brexit. Shouldn't the will of the people be upheld. Even if we don't agree with how that vote came about. Would it not throw into doubt that Brexit is what the people want if more people vote against it now, than voted for it before?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Munter said:
CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.
What if 18 million people had voted to do that?

I don't think they will. But as a thought experiment. What if the majority of the voting population voted for a party with basically a single policy to stop Brexit. Shouldn't the will of the people be upheld. Even if we don't agree with how that vote came about. Would it not throw into doubt that Brexit is what the people want if more people vote against it now, than voted for it before?
Yes, it absolutely would.

But unless and until it happens, it'll remain a thought experiment. Interesting, but a long way from relevant to what's going on.

A party standing unequivocally on a 'revoke' ticket gaining a majority of the popular vote would (IMO) absolve parliament from their current responsibility to leave the EU. But it's just a thousand miles away from actually happening.

Brave Fart

5,680 posts

110 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Amateurish said:
Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party. Partly because it's undemocratic to challenge a binary referendum result with a multi-party general election, and secondly because she can't deliver it anyway.
Nobody, least of all the LDs, think that they are going to get a majority and revoke article 50.
Well, quite. So first she alienated moderates like me (I voted remain) by insisting they'd revoke, given a majority. Which I think is not democratic. But then she changed to a referendum position, and alienated those who firmly believe in revoke to remain.

Good work Jo! You've pissed off most of those who might vote for you. Nice work! Kind of explains the LD's poor polllng though.

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,077 posts

168 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.
Not so much for how people feel/UK politics and there’ll be a lot of understandably pissed off people. I was thinking more economically. At present we have Labour who don’t know what they want, Conservatives who have a ‘deal’ that’s not that great and could still takes years to implement and leave us in limbo, or LibDems who are happy to ps off the electorate but at least make a decision. Difficult to plan for business when you don’t know where you’ll be in the next 6 months.

I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.

Tony427

2,873 posts

232 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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anonymous said:
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Bravo Sir, Bravo.

vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.
You can't have a legally binding ref in the UK.

ROI had one but our Parliament is sovereign, I learned that through this process. You can't bind parliament.

dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Dakkon said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.

To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"

Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
rofl

Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count” banghead
To offer some additional light relief, our smallest has learnt the number one and car and she will walk along going 'One car', 'One car' and pointing, however if you say the two words quickly and your are pointing at the road and maybe pointing at people the other side of the road you can get some very strange looks.

Our middle child also asked me, why does Mummy say 'Anchor' all the time in the car.....
One car, one car confused
Anchor confused




oh... roflroflrofl

blueg33

35,586 posts

223 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.
You can't have a legally binding ref in the UK.

ROI had one but our Parliament is sovereign, I learned that through this process. You can't bind parliament.
You can have a legally binding referendum. It needs an act of parliament creating a law to make a specific referendum binding.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

197 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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blueg33 said:
You can have a legally binding referendum. It needs an act of parliament creating a law to make a specific referendum binding.
Or, or, parliament could vote on whether to implement the result of a referendum after it's been held.

blueg33

35,586 posts

223 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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CrutyRammers said:
blueg33 said:
You can have a legally binding referendum. It needs an act of parliament creating a law to make a specific referendum binding.
Or, or, parliament could vote on whether to implement the result of a referendum after it's been held.
Indeed but that’s not quite the same as the vote is done after the referendum.