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Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie" - her word for the night/dark
Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"
Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count”
Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party.
I don't know if this is a local thing or their whole-party stance but the Green candidate I was going to vote for has made a similar error by taking a double line of 'no to climate chaos, yes to Europe'. It's almost as if they don't realise that they're shaving off great lumps of potential voters. MC Bodge said:
Munter said:
El stovey said:
blueg33 said:
MX6 said:
They have one main headline grabbing policy which has got the attention, it's good that there is a umabiguously remain party option to vote for. Their other policies all seem to be sensible and moderate, they are not particularly eye catching but they are not making the same kind of money spending pledges as other parties, which is a big plus as far as I'm concerned.
I've voted Conservative in the past due me perceiving them to be the most sensible economically, and generally social liberal. These days it seems to me that it's the Lib Dem's that fit this description better than the other parties, especially since I personally don't see the economic merits of leaving the EU outweighing the positives of remaining.
I don't see Swinson as PM material but there is no chance of her leading a majority government anyway.
That’s pretty much my take on it. I have voted Tory for 36 years and this is the first time that I don’t think they are the most economically sensible and I blame them and Brexit nonsense for the economic decline that we are seeing. The current Tory MPs are thinking of their own prejudices rather than what’s best for the economy. I've voted Conservative in the past due me perceiving them to be the most sensible economically, and generally social liberal. These days it seems to me that it's the Lib Dem's that fit this description better than the other parties, especially since I personally don't see the economic merits of leaving the EU outweighing the positives of remaining.
I don't see Swinson as PM material but there is no chance of her leading a majority government anyway.
I'm going to be interested to see what overall % of voters chose LD. Imagine if 51% of voters voted LD, running on a single issue of stop Brexit. That would send a message even if they came away with no more seats.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
I have always been adamant that that ones right to vote should be exercised and that our system was just about fit for purpose. But looking at the motley bunch of idiots, liars and lightweights that are likely to get into power I also most didn't vote and am beginning to think that we need a system that doesn't end up with just 2 parties likely to have a chance, and that chance is mostly down to the way people have been raised to think they should vote rather than what the parties are actually proposing.
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"
Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count”
Our middle child also asked me, why does Mummy say 'Anchor' all the time in the car.....
Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party. Partly because it's undemocratic to challenge a binary referendum result with a multi-party general election, and secondly because she can't deliver it anyway.
Nobody, least of all the LDs, think that they are going to get a majority and revoke article 50. I'm voting lib dems. Brexit less of a concern tbh but you have labour ban/get rid/nationalise instead of sorting the issues and financial incompetence or Tories throw a few quid at it and bury your head in the sand for the next few years to any problems.
Some lib dem policies I dont agree with as with any party but they wont trash the economy and it would be a bit more friendly society with libdems leading for a few years.
Boris and corbyn are both toxic.
Some lib dem policies I dont agree with as with any party but they wont trash the economy and it would be a bit more friendly society with libdems leading for a few years.
Boris and corbyn are both toxic.
Edited by bazza white on Wednesday 11th December 15:55
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.I don't think they will. But as a thought experiment. What if the majority of the voting population voted for a party with basically a single policy to stop Brexit. Shouldn't the will of the people be upheld. Even if we don't agree with how that vote came about. Would it not throw into doubt that Brexit is what the people want if more people vote against it now, than voted for it before?
Munter said:
CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.I don't think they will. But as a thought experiment. What if the majority of the voting population voted for a party with basically a single policy to stop Brexit. Shouldn't the will of the people be upheld. Even if we don't agree with how that vote came about. Would it not throw into doubt that Brexit is what the people want if more people vote against it now, than voted for it before?
But unless and until it happens, it'll remain a thought experiment. Interesting, but a long way from relevant to what's going on.
A party standing unequivocally on a 'revoke' ticket gaining a majority of the popular vote would (IMO) absolve parliament from their current responsibility to leave the EU. But it's just a thousand miles away from actually happening.
Amateurish said:
Brave Fart said:
Jo Swinson has made a huge strategic error in turning the Lib Dems into the "Stop Brexit" party. Partly because it's undemocratic to challenge a binary referendum result with a multi-party general election, and secondly because she can't deliver it anyway.
Nobody, least of all the LDs, think that they are going to get a majority and revoke article 50. Good work Jo! You've pissed off most of those who might vote for you. Nice work! Kind of explains the LD's poor polllng though.
CaptainSlow said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I’d agree with this. I’m voting Lib Dem but not because of her. Not particularly fussed if we stay or leave the EU, but at least they have a decision which democratic or not gives some stability to the U.K.
Overturning the votes of 17.4m voters would bring stability? Interesting view.I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.
You can't have a legally binding ref in the UK. ROI had one but our Parliament is sovereign, I learned that through this process. You can't bind parliament.
Dakkon said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
In closing this little contretemps, I will share that my 2 year old is picking new words and working on pronunciation.To this point she would see that flag and shout "FAG!" which is almost as bad as her favourite new word "darkie"
Walking with her at night in the local town she kept pointing (at the sky but could have been interpreted as pointing at people as she is very small) and saying loudly, "LOOK DADDY - DARKIES, DARKIES, DARKIES! I DON'T LIKE DARKIES"
Just wait until they start trying to say “sit” and “count”
Our middle child also asked me, why does Mummy say 'Anchor' all the time in the car.....
Anchor
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vaud said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
I don’t agree with ignoring the wishes of 17.4 million people but wonder if it’s better to return to the EU for now, then perhaps hold a legally binding referendum (that politicians can’t squirm out of like the last one) in a few years time once all sides have better plans/arguments and we are in a position to just do it.
You can't have a legally binding ref in the UK. ROI had one but our Parliament is sovereign, I learned that through this process. You can't bind parliament.
CrutyRammers said:
blueg33 said:
You can have a legally binding referendum. It needs an act of parliament creating a law to make a specific referendum binding.
Or, or, parliament could vote on whether to implement the result of a referendum after it's been held.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff