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MC Bodge said:
For somebody who most of you don't think of as important, there are a lot of postings on the subject....
It is genuinely hilarious how she is cornering her party back into political obscurity. Clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.A lot of Lib Dems probably wishing they opted for Davey instead. Swinson is clearly being influenced by Chukka, another one with a grudge against Corbyn. Where are those recent LD votes going to go is the interesting question?
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MC Bodge said:
For somebody who most of you don't think of as important, there are a lot of postings on the subject....
It is genuinely hilarious how she is cornering her party back into political obscurity. Clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.A lot of Lib Dems probably wishing they opted for Davey instead. Swinson is clearly being influenced by Chukka, another one with a grudge against Corbyn. Where are those recent LD votes going to go is the interesting question?
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
rs1952 said:
When posting on NP&E it is helpful if you understand the "P" bit of that...
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
Quite. She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
https://mobile.twitter.com/joswinson/status/116203...
MC Bodge said:
rs1952 said:
When posting on NP&E it is helpful if you understand the "P" bit of that...
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
Quite. She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
https://mobile.twitter.com/joswinson/status/116203...
El stovey said:
MC Bodge said:
rs1952 said:
When posting on NP&E it is helpful if you understand the "P" bit of that...
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
Quite. She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
https://mobile.twitter.com/joswinson/status/116203...
rs1952 said:
When posting on NP&E it is helpful if you understand the "P" bit of that...
She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
She was on C4 News last night and expressed that point quite clearly. And, I am certain that she is right. She specifically mentioning the leadership of Ken Clark and Harriet Harmon.She is not "cornering" her party in the slightest. The facts of the matter are that a vote of no confidence is much more likely to succeed if Jeremy Corbyn is not the person trying to get into 10 Downing Street. There are Tory dissenters whose support could be lost ubless they find someone more, shall we say, "middle of the road."
If you look closely at what the other parties have said ie. the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Tories who might be persuaded to vote against their own government, they have all said that they are willing to "talk," None have said they're willing to "back."
That's politics...
I am hoping that after the Autumn election that the LibDems see off Corbyn’s version of Labour for the next 40-years.
I think she has the right qualities to achieve that.
El stovey said:
It’s funny seeing twitter all calling her a yellow Tory and on here the libdems are democracy hating lefties.
And what does that tell you? It tells me there a lot of worried people about.About every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
rdjohn said:
She was on C4 News last night and expressed that point quite clearly. And, I am certain that she is right. She specifically mentioning the leadership of Ken Clark and Harriet Harmon.
I am hoping that after the Autumn election that the LibDems see off Corbyn’s version of Labour for the next 40-years.
I think she has the right qualities to achieve that.
Swinson sounded out Harman as interim leader. Harman then came out yesterday publicly in favour of Corbyn's plans and not Swinson's. That shows you the level of support for the Lib Dems plans. Nothing like the same level for Labour.I am hoping that after the Autumn election that the LibDems see off Corbyn’s version of Labour for the next 40-years.
I think she has the right qualities to achieve that.
Their bloody mindedness seems to be pissing off a lot of remainers. The LDs bang on for years about how Labour are enabling a no deal Brexit and then the LDs turn out to be the no deal party. LOL.
Its pathetic divisiveness from certain remainers but it's going to hand us no deal on a plate so can't complain too much.
booboise blueboys said:
Their bloody mindedness seems to be pissing off a lot of remainers. The LDs bang on for years about how Labour are enabling a no deal Brexit and then the LDs turn out to be the no deal party.
Not quite true. "no deal" is a recent thing, and talked about as if it is a prize fro some. Labour have been trying to straddle numerous fences and ride multiple horses.
Corbyn wants a general election that he thinks he can win, but he can't even unite his own party.... He is not popular amongst a lot of people.
booboise blueboys said:
LOL.
Er, right. booboise blueboys said:
Swinson sounded out Harman as interim leader. Harman then came out yesterday publicly in favour of Corbyn's plans and not Swinson's. That shows you the level of support for the Lib Dems plans. Nothing like the same level for Labour.
Their bloody mindedness seems to be pissing off a lot of remainers. The LDs bang on for years about how Labour are enabling a no deal Brexit and then the LDs turn out to be the no deal party. LOL.
Its pathetic divisiveness from certain remainers but it's going to hand us no deal on a plate so can't complain too much.
At a time when political events are fast-moving it's a brave man who posts something like that. "LOL" at your leisure Their bloody mindedness seems to be pissing off a lot of remainers. The LDs bang on for years about how Labour are enabling a no deal Brexit and then the LDs turn out to be the no deal party. LOL.
Its pathetic divisiveness from certain remainers but it's going to hand us no deal on a plate so can't complain too much.
BBC news 54 minutes ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49367612
Edit - just confirmed on R4 1100 news
Edited by rs1952 on Friday 16th August 11:05
rs1952 said:
And what does that tell you? It tells me there a lot of worried people about.
About every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Total twaddle, only Labour have been taken over by "extremists"
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Leave is NOT an extreme position to take
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
It just needed some notesAbout every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Total twaddle, only Labour have been taken over by "extremists"
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Leave is NOT an extreme position to take
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
rs1952 said:
At a time when political events are fast-moving it's a brave man who posts something like that. "LOL" at your leisure
BBC news 54 minutes ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49367612
Edit - just confirmed on R4 1100 news
It’s interesting that £/€ is somewhat stronger this morning.BBC news 54 minutes ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49367612
Edit - just confirmed on R4 1100 news
Edited by rs1952 on Friday 16th August 11:05
However much some people thing this is a non-starter, I suspect that some people see that it has legs. Neither Corbyn, nor Boris can hold any sort of majority. IMHO.
Johnnytheboy said:
amusingduck said:
Johnnytheboy said:
However - like me - Ms Swinson is reportedly a keen Civilization (computer game for the unitiated) player, and consequently I am favourably disposed to her.
We'll have to keep an eye out for her praising Ghandi's approach! 
... and the Civilization she is refering to is
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/71/civiliz...
... not the computer game.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
rs1952 said:
And what does that tell you? It tells me there a lot of worried people about.
About every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Total twaddle, only Labour have been taken over by "extremists"
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Leave is NOT an extreme position to take
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
It just needed some notesAbout every 100 years or so an issue comes along that doesn't fit into the normal mould of politics because it crosses party line. In the 1830s it was Reform and the Corn Laws; in the 1920s it was Freet Trade and Ireland. We are due another one and Brexit is it, and it is being further bolstered this time by the Labour and Conservative parties lurching to the left and right respectively as they have both been taken over by extremist nutcases.
Total twaddle, only Labour have been taken over by "extremists"
Those with centrist views and/or a Remain tendency will find poor homes for their votes in either the labour or conservative parties at the present time. There is absolutely no point in such people voting conservative at the moment, and little point in them voting labour either until it decides which side of the Brexit fence it wishes to jump to. But despite that, both main parties appear to think that come election time the voters will all scurry back to their normal tribes. I'm not convinced they are right this time.
Leave is NOT an extreme position to take
Whilst other anti-Brexit parties are available, with the exception of the SNP and Plaid Cymru, none of them have the support at ground level that they will need for a successful election campaign - the people to stuff envelopes, man the phones, knock on doors etc. And in many constituencies, currently held by both labour and conservative MPs, the lib dems traditionally come second. The current political climate could change that - possibly for good.
The chattering classes on Twitter may like to bear this in mind
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