Police Officer killed on duty

[Welshbeef]

dieselgrunt said:

can't be too much longer now before they have to charge or release them ?

Must be sometime today

[troika]

Amazing public response to the fundraising campaign, over £120K.

I’d love to see a fundraising page for Special Air Services counter caravan utilising nomadic traveller unit 3.14159. I think the servers would crash from the flood of donations.

[Cantaloupe]

It doesn't bode well.

I would charge them all with murder, refuse bail, hold them all in remand till the trial which could be pencilled in for Aug. 2038.

Seems fair, it's a complicated case.

I bet that 13 year old will miss going back to school.

[Digga]

NDA said:

They are a group of people who only take - they contribute nothing.

I have been reading about this young officer today and just feel hollowed out by it all. Utterly devastating for his family and friends.

Pretty much how I feel.

I think, if anything 'good' can come of this, it is that the authorities stop kicking the can down the road (literally - often one force/are just wants rid, at the expense of a neighbouring area) on these sorts of individuals. There are serious problems going on that cannot continue to be tolerated.

[chrisgtx]

SeeFive said:

La Liga said:

SeeFive said:

Sorry I couldn’t respond in your timeframe LL, I have been at the hospital all day again today with a very sick missus on the lung ward and just got in. I also don’t remember saying anything about community charge, just a range of crimes, including as we seem to agree the Irish solution to trespass as an enabler and everything else from ASB to human trafficking. You really don’t have to look too far to find myriad examples of the MO. There are examples on here of the “give them a crime number” approach that can lead some far from the actual cheeky chappies themselves to believe that all is good as you suggest.

Try observing them. Try dealing with them. Get your drive done. Have them remove a mix of valuable aluminium and trash from a site and see what goes first, and what is never taken on the promised missing return trip as agreed. Stand behind them in a shop as they maraud through, one paying for a mars bar and the others leaving with quite a bit of stock unpaid for. Sit in a restaurant and observe them putting their own hair into food trying to refuse to pay, and see what happens when they are challenged. Be in the local pub the week after the landlord has ejected two of them and see what happens when they return mob handed to sort out the landlord (luckily that night most of the boxing club were in). When they build an illegal encampment close to your home, try taking your usual dog walk route which happens to be close to that latest infestation and see what happens. Live in Epsom at Derby time. Live close to Wickham for that infestation. You will find it is far from the few spoiling the image of the many. Just like the average speeding motorist who apparently only speeds once every 6 years if you just look at the convictions, unfortunately the lawlessness that goes with that lifestyle when properly observed is way different to the recorded crime.

And since I am in such a great mood to discuss this (not), present personal experience and do all the googling for you for the news articles reporting it (not) I will just leave it at the fact that you obviously know best, are steeped in convivial interaction with them and what we are doing today is just fine with regard to preventing these little scamps from committing no crime at all. No need to create a properly resourced focus such as we do against other problem areas of society (drugs, serious crime etc) as clearly they are law abiding in the main.

They are treated no different to the rest of us, plod is under resourced for fear of a confrontation to come and arrest me where I live too I am sure should I ever commit a crime.

“Nothing to see here, on your way sir”.... “Thanks officer”.

I did deal with them.

All that experience did was reinforce that your assertions about what 'that majority almost certainly do' is wrong.

Not assertions, I don’t know why you keep using that word. Experience chap, just experience. Always the same, never differs.

Every “illegal encampment” is full of our friends breaking the law, or it wouldn’t be an illegal encampment. So 100% are breaking the law daily before they start their business efforts. Some will hide behind words such as “it’s not really illegal”, if so, why is it so named?

And another personal example last night. Not breaking a law per-se but certainly making a nuisance of themselves in their usual ignorant way.

I mentioned my missus is in hospital. Nice quiet ward, 6 women, respectful visitors helping staff where possible with care of their loved ones. Guess who rolled up shrieking in pain like you could not believe? I think you may have guessed.

From minute one, the really poor and aggressively demanding attitude to medical staff, noise, unruly behaviour around some pretty unwell people, inability to count to 2 (2 round a bed maximum) general atmosphere changed in an instant from peace to a more aggressive environment.

And when they left, the previously shrieking and howling in pain patient throughout their visit was on her feet between two occupied beds by the window loudly on her mobile phone to the assholes outside leaning on the hooters of their cars as they were on the road among all the wards leaving the hospital site.

The staff weren’t happy, occupants of the ward weren’t happy, but maybe because of their “special status” in our country decided to let it go, as tends to be the usual way. Personally, I don’t blame them as it clearly would have only made things worse as it is usual case with our tin house friends responding in their feral way to rightful challenge.

I couldn't agree more with you, we suffer with them locally, the latest being in the paper for being on the run for 6 months after crashing his car, his wife was killed in it!. Before that there was a bit of grooming and rape, before that burglary etc etc
We have behaviour like that at our hospital too, if one ends up in A and E they all turn up en mass and cause chaos.

[Digga]

chrisgtx said:

they all turn up en mass and cause chaos.

Turning up mob handed is part of their MO. It creates chaos and also opportunity for distraction and/or intimidation. They have nothing better to do.

[Greendubber]

Further custody extension granted.

[TNTom]

All from surrounding sites. Scum.

The males are:

A 17-year-old from Bramley, Hampshire.

A 17-year-old from Aldermaston, Berkshire.

A 20-year-old from Burghfield, Berkshire.

A 16-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

An 18-year-old from Mortimer, Berkshire.

A 24-year-old from Bramley, Hampshire.

A 30-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

A 20-year-old from Reading, Berkshire.

A 16-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

A 13-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

Our investigation continues.

[fatboy18]

Excellent post SeeFive

[Smiler.]

Greendubber said:

Further custody extension granted.

Good news.

[anonymous-user]

fatboy18 said:

Excellent post SeeFive

Alternatively a further anecdotal irrelevance which does nothing to advance the core issue which is surely how do we sensibly and effectively address the problem to stop such behaviour and prosecute the law ?

[anonymous-user]

TNTom said:

All from surrounding sites. Scum.

The males are:

A 17-year-old from Bramley, Hampshire.

A 17-year-old from Aldermaston, Berkshire.

A 20-year-old from Burghfield, Berkshire.

A 16-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

An 18-year-old from Mortimer, Berkshire.

A 24-year-old from Bramley, Hampshire.

A 30-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

A 20-year-old from Reading, Berkshire.

A 16-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

A 13-year-old from Burghfield Common, Berkshire.

Our investigation continues.

So hopefully 5 sites will be raided and all of the other nicked stuff recovered, and action taken against everyone claiming benefits illegally.

[Taylor James]

citizensm1th said:

Red 4 said:

Nope.

Military police only have jurisdiction over service personnel or anyone subject to military discipline.

You may have citizens powers of arrest over the general public (like anyone) but that is for indictable offences only.

For example, you could not arrest for (most) public order offences etc etc.

I'm not doubting the professionalism of service police but they have no more powers than Joe Public over the travelling fraternity (or anyone else).

I can see the potential for some rather big problems.

Stop try to divert, that is not the point I am making as you well know, there are service personnel well versed in law and police training which you stated was not the case.

My point is the army could be used to bolster police numbers in spacific cases like raiding camps of thieves, the whole we do not have the manpower to act is just a smokescreen for the lack of political will

Exactly this. Forget individual officers. Focus on politicians.

If the Police are told to stamp out bad behaviour by travellers and it's made clear that it is a higher priority than, for example, social media bullying, then resources will be diverted.

Why are there always enough resources to protect politicians or police major sporting events? How many Police are working on the current enquiry compared to say, the number working on the latest London gang stabbing?

We know that travellers are treated differently to other citizens and people have had enough of it. I wish this murder could act as a catalyst but until I hear explicit condemnation of criminal traveller behaviour and commitment to stamping it out, I don't believe anything will change.

[Shakermaker]

Taylor James said:

Why are there always enough resources to protect politicians or police major sporting events?

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the policing costs for this are met by the organisers of these events, so a part of your ticket cost to a football match or similar is to pay for the police who are often working overtime to be there?

[Red 4]

citizensm1th said:

eccles said:

You are another one who cannot read and comprehend, let alone quote properly.

I am not advocating using the army to do the police's job but to aid them on specific tasks where they claim they do not have the manpower.

No wonder this country is in such a st state what ever happened to a can do attitude.

Ironic - considering you haven't managed to quote eccles at all.

You are advocating the armed forces do the police's job though.

Military police tend to be well versed in Army/ Navy/ Air Force Regulations rather than criminal law. (Although they have some knowledge and training).

You are advocating that people with no powers (other than citizen's powers of arrest) take on the travellers.

Realistically, given how some members of the travelling fraternity respond to the police - how do you think they would respond to the military in view of the above ?

The police often have one hand tied behind their back when dealing with travellers.

Soldiers would likely have two.

[Laurel Green]

Red 4 said:

Laurel Green said:

Andrew Harper death: More than £70k raised for officer's family.

It's over £100k now.

Over £143,000 now.

[Taylor James]

Shakermaker said:

Taylor James said:

Why are there always enough resources to protect politicians or police major sporting events?

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the policing costs for this are met by the organisers of these events, so a part of your ticket cost to a football match or similar is to pay for the police who are often working overtime to be there?

That may be true of football matches. I'm less sure about the Olympics, other sporting events and things like the London Marathon.

It's interesting that enough Police can always be found for the Premiership and other leagues to run interrupted for decades. Perhaps those officers might want some overtime for operations against the traveller criminality instead or as well as? Just a thought.

Edited by Taylor James on Monday 19th August 11:42

[Earthdweller]

Smiler. said:

Greendubber said:

Further custody extension granted.

Good news.

Not necessarily no.

Unfortunately it could mean that they are struggling to pass the charge threshold and are still digging

[Bigends]

Smiler. said:

Greendubber said:

Further custody extension granted.

Good news.

Not sure it is good news - investigators could well be struggling to build a case in respect of the officers death. We could well finish up with charges merely for the Burglary / Conspiracy to burgle - hope i'm wrong though.

Edited by Bigends on Monday 19th August 11:47

[dieselgrunt]

let's hope another 24hrs is sufficient to get to the bottom of this. I worry that with the car burned out, no video footage and no-one admitting to it there is zero evidence to find the culprit. What happens then?