Police Officer killed on duty
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Our friendly hospital visitors left in different style tonight.
Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
SeeFive said:
Our friendly hospital visitors left in different style tonight.
Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
It was a piss take on genuine traveller "call outs". Couldn't even get your example of badly behaving traveller children right. Well done.Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
Sad that a thread on the killing of a police officer has deteriorated into a Traveler bashing session.
Can you imagine this forum if the killer had been from Pakistani origins living in Bradford or AfroCaribean from South London?
Tannedbaldhead said:
SeeFive said:
Our friendly hospital visitors left in different style tonight.
Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
It was a piss take on genuine traveller "call outs". Couldn't even get your example of badly behaving traveller children right. Well done.Off road motorbikes, no number plates, unsilenced, pulling wheelies on the 10mph internal hospital roads whilst people trying to cross on the numerous zebra crossings got out of their way. Perfectly safe as the amount of noise generated by the bikes certainly advertised their presence, warning others to allow their MO to continue unhindered.
Still, at least if it all went wrong they would be in the right place to tend to their head injuries as none of them were wearing crash helmets.
Anyway, on a different matter, think of the children. The little darlings grow up so fast don’t they.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdZ581yzCek
Sad that a thread on the killing of a police officer has deteriorated into a Traveler bashing session.
Can you imagine this forum if the killer had been from Pakistani origins living in Bradford or AfroCaribean from South London?
With regard to your personal attack, I have met many decent Pakistani people in my life, in fact I can’t think of one who isn’t unlike many of our indigenous UK population and my missus is Afro Caribbean (specifically born in Jamaica, stunning look and personality of Jamaican / Indian mix), so your sleight is wasted on me. I have nothing against Pakistanis as a group or my missus and most of her family funnily enough. It is a typical mix of good and not so good, just one would expect in a family IME with a person outside of their culture coming into it.
Sadly, all (yes all) my experiences of living among travellers have not been good with more than a few examples given over the last day or two. I have seen frequently, first hand their feral offspring behaving in exactly as in that video - we had a permanent site close by and occasionally some would come to our school / youth club with a few transients here and there, and I also recognise the comments of others’ negative experience but I guess all those were just a piss take too?
How do you feel about the bike behaviour tonight? Didn’t notice you comment on that, just attacked the messenger inaccurately. During this thread, many have been discussing experience of traveller lawlessness and their MO. This is one further example. It was always going to go that way given the culprits.
I guess you will want to know how I knew the bikers were the same people I saw inside the hospital? I guess you will want to know how I knew they were travellers? Well with me not being on a horse as high as yours, it wasn't too difficult.
Welshbeef said:
Andrew Harper’s wife has now left a tribute - Such a beautiful tribute, I’m very moved by it and shed tears reading it.
Appears they were childhood sweethearts and been together the last 13 years.
Hopefully somehow in time the rawness will ease
It is going to be tough, poor lass. In around 2004 an acquaintance of mine was planning a wedding, renovating a house with his intended when he got home one night to find her dead in the bathroom, natural causes I hasten to add before anyone jumps down my throat again.Appears they were childhood sweethearts and been together the last 13 years.
Hopefully somehow in time the rawness will ease
Not only did he then have to make funeral arrangements for her, but he had to cancel the wedding, honeymoon and finish the house and move out - can you imagine that? He has never got over it even though it would appear that he has, with his new lady etc., it still haunts him.
I too hope that she can deal with it, but it is going to be tough and possibly re-ignited every time she sees poor examples of members of that community going about their lives and in the news for similar activities (hopefully with lesser outcomes), which will be frequent of course.
hidetheelephants said:
Short of becoming a police state(no ta) the UK will always be policed by consent. It's a common feature of liberal democracies.
Yes, you are correct, I had been misinformed of it's broader meaning i.e. the authority of the police is determined by the people, not an autocratic government .
Although some old miners might disagree.
Grahamdub said:
Greendubber said:
Yes, because there couldn't be anything else happening could there?
Probably not no. You are right and I bow to your superior wisdom. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Your big magic bottomless box of police officers simply doesn't exist.
Greendubber said:
Good idea as it seems I know a little bit more about it than you.
I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
The number of officers per 100 000 of population is interesting for England and Wales, well down the list with only a measly 208. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Compared to Scotland with 324, and N.Ireland with a stonking 372 officers. [ Greece 503 !!! , eh ? ]
Even taking that figure , with a pop. of 365 000, the number available to police that city should be 759 officers,
or is my rithmatic all to buggery ?
Edited by Cantaloupe on Tuesday 20th August 09:00
Cantaloupe said:
Greendubber said:
Good idea as it seems I know a little bit more about it than you.
I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
The number of officers per 100 000 of population is interesting for England and Wales, well down the list with only a measly 208. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Compared to Scotland with 324, and N.Ireland with a stonking 372 officers. [ Greece 503 !!! , eh ? ]
Even taking that figure , with a pop. of 365 000, the number available to police that city should be 759 officers,
or is my rithmatic all to buggery ?
Edited by Cantaloupe on Tuesday 20th August 09:00
Cantaloupe said:
Greendubber said:
Good idea as it seems I know a little bit more about it than you.
I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
The number of officers per 100 000 of population is interesting for England and Wales, well down the list with only a measly 208. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Compared to Scotland with 324, and N.Ireland with a stonking 372 officers. [ Greece 503 !!! , eh ? ]
Even taking that figure , with a pop. of 365 000, the number available to police that city should be 759 officers,
or is my rithmatic all to buggery ?
Edited by Cantaloupe on Tuesday 20th August 09:00
Cantaloupe said:
Greendubber said:
Good idea as it seems I know a little bit more about it than you.
I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
The number of officers per 100 000 of population is interesting for England and Wales, well down the list with only a measly 208. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Compared to Scotland with 324, and N.Ireland with a stonking 372 officers. [ Greece 503 !!! , eh ? ]
Even taking that figure , with a pop. of 365 000, the minimum number on duty at peak times should be 759 officers,
or is my rithmatic all to buggery ?
I saw lots of posts like this when BiBs were complaining about just how hard the cuts were biting into the service and the impact they were having on their ability to provide effective policing.
There was a consensus that the officers were exaggerating the problems and were motivated by a desire to maintain a lifestyle of drinking tea, eating donuts and sleeping in their patrol cars during nighshift. They were also told they are in the same boat as the rest of us and need to give themselves a shake and start working for a living after all "there's no such thing as a magic money tree".
Now one of these poor overstretched officers is dead. His family is heartbroken and here is the great PH forum taking his thread and using it to moan about coppers not doing their job properly and gypsies popping wheelies on motorbikes and racing horses on carts.
Pathetic.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Tuesday 20th August 09:18
Cantaloupe said:
Greendubber said:
Good idea as it seems I know a little bit more about it than you.
I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
The number of officers per 100 000 of population is interesting for England and Wales, well down the list with only a measly 208. I live in a city of about 365k people. The response shift parades about 12 officers so 3 double crewed cars and the rest single crewed. At any one time there will probably be at least over 100 open logs if varying grades to deal with, anything from domestics, shop lifters, road traffic collisions, missing people, burglaries as well as dealing with people in custody etc.
Compared to Scotland with 324, and N.Ireland with a stonking 372 officers. [ Greece 503 !!! , eh ? ]
Even taking that figure , with a pop. of 365 000, the number available to police that city should be 759 officers,
or is my rithmatic all to buggery ?
Edited by Cantaloupe on Tuesday 20th August 09:00
National average is 208 per 100,000, but for the Met, is 350 per 100,000. Essex, for example, is 168 and Hampshire 136.
Those figures include long term absentees, so anyone on parental leave, career breaks, long term sickness/injury, etc are included.
You're also not allowing for the fact those staff are split into multiple shifts, and that the allocation of officers is unlikely to be uniform across the whole county - it's not directly proportionate to the population of the town discussed.. It can't be - if a double crewed car is covering a rural part of Essex, they're could only be covering a few thousand people, compared to the number of people they'd be covering if in Chelmsford or Colchester.
Tannedbaldhead said:
My gut feeling is if a cop says that's our shift parade I think we should take it at face value.
I saw lots of posts like this when BiBs were complaining about just how hard the cuts were biting into the service and the impact they were having on their ability to provide effective policing.
There was a consensus that the officers were exaggerating the problems and were motivated by a desire to maintain a lifestyle of drinking tea, eating donuts and sleeping in their patrol cars during nighshift. They were also told they are in the same boat as the rest of us and need to give themselves a shake and start working for a living after all "there's no such thing as a magic money tree".
Now one of these poor overstretched officers is dead. His family is heartbroken and here is the great PH forum taking his thread and using it to moan about coppers not doing their job properly and gypsies popping wheelies on motorbikes and racing horses on carts.
Pathetic.
You’re completely missing the point, or desperate to make yours which is what??I saw lots of posts like this when BiBs were complaining about just how hard the cuts were biting into the service and the impact they were having on their ability to provide effective policing.
There was a consensus that the officers were exaggerating the problems and were motivated by a desire to maintain a lifestyle of drinking tea, eating donuts and sleeping in their patrol cars during nighshift. They were also told they are in the same boat as the rest of us and need to give themselves a shake and start working for a living after all "there's no such thing as a magic money tree".
Now one of these poor overstretched officers is dead. His family is heartbroken and here is the great PH forum taking his thread and using it to moan about coppers not doing their job properly and gypsies popping wheelies on motorbikes and racing horses on carts.
Pathetic.
Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Tuesday 20th August 09:18
One of my oldest friends, a good mate I went to school with has been on the force (not in the office shining a seat but actually working) for nearly 20 years now. He works in various towns and would corroborate the fact that at any one time there are very few officers actually on the ground.
As they often end up dealing with bulls
t that is not really their remit - settling stupid (scum) family disputes and often a great many hours searching for missing people who the care in the community ethos has effectively dumped into their care - they are hard pushed to deal with real crime. It is not that they do not want to.
That the teacher's pension budget is of equivalent magnitude to the whole home office budget tells you as much about the lack of resources as anything.
As they often end up dealing with bulls
t that is not really their remit - settling stupid (scum) family disputes and often a great many hours searching for missing people who the care in the community ethos has effectively dumped into their care - they are hard pushed to deal with real crime. It is not that they do not want to.That the teacher's pension budget is of equivalent magnitude to the whole home office budget tells you as much about the lack of resources as anything.
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