Police Officer killed on duty

[Puggit]

Just driven past the traveller site. Still a heavy police presence, police tape everywhere and a forensics van just driving in.

[Pothole]

Brads67 said:

But it's not me that's the problem though is it?.

I don't appreciate the insinuation that I would somehow hope the s got off with it.

No insinuation on my part. I'm taking you as I find you. I've asked reasonable questions which you haven't answered. You APPEAR to have suggested that you think the initial police reaction was incorrect and therefore contributed to the killer deciding to make a break for it. Do you actually think that? If not, your post was at best unclear. If so, there's no need to "insinuate" anything, is there?

[markcoznottz]

NoNeed said:

David A said:

Brads67 said:

Red 4 said:

Many of the political elite (but not all, obviously) have absolutely no clue of what really goes on - and, tbh, I don't think they care.

Many of our "leaders" have spent their privileged lives at risk of suffering no more serious injury than a paper cut and have no idea how lots of people live their lives.

In fairness, most people don't know what really goes on - but politicians ? Don't make me laugh.

Not sure I believe that. I suspect that anyone that has watched the plethora of cop documentaries has had it drummed into them how hard life on the beat is.

I would disagree by way of saying the cop docus in no way show the impact on the personal or family life. They only touch on the odd gritty case not some of risks undertaken on a regular basis, the various things they have to take care of and some of the downright frustrating and stty nature of some parts of the job. They are entertainment. They are not there to show the bad stuff. Granted the odd extreme event is shown but I don’t think they are wholly representative coverage of the role.

cops do things you just don't see on the telly,some homes for instance are that bad the RSPCA would not let you house rats in them, but you have to go in to get some crappy mother or father and seeing how their kids have to live all this while struggling for breath due to the stench and your feet sticking to mouldy carpet, that is just one example of something most coppers have done but you don't see that. It is the same with prison docs,the worst stuff doesn't make it past the editing suite.

Apparently the worse thing is getting bitten by fleas that travel home with you.

[fatboy18]

So we have one person charged, how many others got bail?
I wondering if the ones that got bail are still in the area? Or have they done a bunk?

[Cantaloupe]

NoNeed said:

cops do things you just don't see on the telly,some homes for instance are that bad the RSPCA would not let you house rats in them, but you have to go in to get some crappy mother or father and seeing how their kids have to live all this while struggling for breath due to the stench and your feet sticking to mouldy carpet, that is just one example of something most coppers have done but you don't see that. It is the same with prison docs,the worst stuff doesn't make it past the editing suite.

Indeed, it's a grim job, but we must remember this is offset by mundane and risk free " overtime for old rope " tasks such as
sheperding herds of knuckle-scraping footie thugs [ a disgusting waste of police time ] searching for evidence, lost child, missing persons, house to house enquiries, hanging around, sitting in cars, waiting for ........whatever.

Officers dying in the line of duty is hugely rare in the UK, last year in the US 150 officers were killed on duty.

[Greendubber]

Cantaloupe said:

NoNeed said:

cops do things you just don't see on the telly,some homes for instance are that bad the RSPCA would not let you house rats in them, but you have to go in to get some crappy mother or father and seeing how their kids have to live all this while struggling for breath due to the stench and your feet sticking to mouldy carpet, that is just one example of something most coppers have done but you don't see that. It is the same with prison docs,the worst stuff doesn't make it past the editing suite.

Indeed, it's a grim job, but we must remember this is offset by mundane and risk free " overtime for old rope " tasks such as
sheperding herds of knuckle-scraping footie thugs [ a disgusting waste of police time ] searching for evidence, lost child, missing persons, house to house enquiries, hanging around, sitting in cars, waiting for ........whatever.

Officers dying in the line of duty is hugely rare in the UK, last year in the US 150 officers were killed on duty.

I wish we got to hang around and simply sit in cars waiting for 'whatever'

[poo at Paul's]

Puggit said:

Just driven past the traveller site. Still a heavy police presence, police tape everywhere and a forensics van just driving in.

Where are all the scumbags living then? I suspect the Council has put them up in a nice 4 star hotel for a few weeks, cant believe they would have left them on site.

[Vaud]

poo at Paul's said:

Where are all the scumbags living then? I suspect the Council has put them up in a nice 4 star hotel for a few weeks, cant believe they would have left them on site.

Alternatively, innocent people are being treated as innocent until proven guilty?

I don't think there was any suggestion that all 10 were actually at the robbery?

[Andy 308GTB]

poo at Paul's said:

Puggit said:

Just driven past the traveller site. Still a heavy police presence, police tape everywhere and a forensics van just driving in.

Where are all the scumbags living then? I suspect the Council has put them up in a nice 4 star hotel for a few weeks, cant believe they would have left them on site.

A whole load turned up in Billericay last night. They were touring around trying to find somewhere that the locals hadn't been able to barricade. The local papers reporting that they rammed a Police car to eventually
gain access to some park/common land.
Various gates and padlocks damaged around the town in their attempts to gain access. Rumours that these are the ones from Burghfield - but that sounds a bit too convenient.

[Pothole]

Vaud said:

poo at Paul's said:

Where are all the scumbags living then? I suspect the Council has put them up in a nice 4 star hotel for a few weeks, cant believe they would have left them on site.

Alternatively, innocent people are being treated as innocent until proven guilty?

I don't think there was any suggestion that all 10 were actually at the robbery?

It's a strange concept IUPG, really, or at least the general understanding (?) of it is. Clearly plod don't really think you're innocent if they arrest you. When you get to court the assumption of innocence kicks in. Before that, any investigation must presume guilt to progress, surely?

[Pothole]

Vaud said:

poo at Paul's said:

Where are all the scumbags living then? I suspect the Council has put them up in a nice 4 star hotel for a few weeks, cant believe they would have left them on site.

Alternatively, innocent people are being treated as innocent until proven guilty?

I don't think there was any suggestion that all 10 were actually at the robbery?

It's a strange concept IUPG, really, or at least the general understanding (?) of it is. Clearly plod don't really think you're innocent if they arrest you. When you get to court the assumption of innocence kicks in. Before that, any investigation must presume guilt to progress, surely?

ETA: It wasn't a robbery.

[Vaud]

Pothole said:

It's a strange concept IUPG, really, or at least the general understanding (?) of it is. Clearly plod don't really think you're innocent if they arrest you. When you get to court the assumption of innocence kicks in. Before that, any investigation must presume guilt to progress, surely?

ETA: It wasn't a robbery.

It's a straight forward concept. You are innocent until proven guilty. The police are not prosecuting you, they are charging you.

The Crown is prosecuting via the Crown Prosecution Service. The police are there to investigate, collate evidence, etc and provide a file to the CPS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Prosecution_Se...

[NoNeed]

Vaud said:

Pothole said:

It's a strange concept IUPG, really, or at least the general understanding (?) of it is. Clearly plod don't really think you're innocent if they arrest you. When you get to court the assumption of innocence kicks in. Before that, any investigation must presume guilt to progress, surely?

ETA: It wasn't a robbery.

It's a straight forward concept. You are innocent until proven guilty. The police are not prosecuting you, they are charging you.

The Crown is prosecuting via the Crown Prosecution Service. The police are there to investigate, collate evidence, etc and provide a file to the CPS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Prosecution_Se...

I am fairly certain Pothole knows that

[Vaud]

NoNeed said:

I am fairly certain Pothole knows that

Ah yes, I see his profile...

Oh well. Many people don't.

[Halb]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innoc...

[Puggit]

Andy 308GTB said:

Various gates and padlocks damaged around the town in their attempts to gain access. Rumours that these are the ones from Burghfield - but that sounds a bit too convenient.

Very unlikely, as the caravans are all still in situ. Although a couple of weeks before the murder of PC Harper we had 2 separate extra groups in the village. Both moved on sharpish after section 61 notices.

As for the presumption of innocence, it's probable that the police have turned up all sorts of evidence for other crimes while searching the camp

[Puggit]

Just been past the incident site. Both lanes either side of A4 still closed.

Which begs the question - what are they still looking for?

[fatboy18]

Puggit said:

Just been past the incident site. Both lanes either side of A4 still closed.

Which begs the question - what are they still looking for?

Hopefully their waiting for some big bulldozers to move in and flatten the site.....if only

[Greendubber]

Puggit said:

Just been past the incident site. Both lanes either side of A4 still closed.

Which begs the question - what are they still looking for?

Who knows, happy they're doing it though.

[eccles]

Puggit said:

Just been past the incident site. Both lanes either side of A4 still closed.

Which begs the question - what are they still looking for?

I would have thought your average travellers site would have provided a lifetimes work for a forensics team.