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Is a new app that they save can save lives, the reason I have posted it in here is the news article it is linked too....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760
Has common sence been lost completely now? Surely anyone with half an ounce of sence wouldn't even dream of going on a 5 mile walk in the evening without a little planning! There is a compass on the i-phone but obviously none of them know what that is for
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760
Has common sence been lost completely now? Surely anyone with half an ounce of sence wouldn't even dream of going on a 5 mile walk in the evening without a little planning! There is a compass on the i-phone but obviously none of them know what that is for
Another thread here from a few years ago....
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It was brought to my attention by an article in the local rag where someone had crashed their car in a remote spot, w3w got the first responders to the scene.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
It was brought to my attention by an article in the local rag where someone had crashed their car in a remote spot, w3w got the first responders to the scene.
Drumroll said:
Do they really say that? Either way, there are lots of places people could run into trouble and not be able to describe where they are. For instance a car crash on an unfamiliar country lane. Randy Winkman said:
Do they really say that? Either way, there are lots of places people could run into trouble and not be able to describe where they are. For instance a car crash on an unfamiliar country lane.
This could work for that then, free from a world leader.https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/about/news/2014/o...
Saleen836 said:
Is a new app that they save can save lives, the reason I have posted it in here is the news article it is linked too....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760
Has common sence been lost completely now? Surely anyone with half an ounce of sence wouldn't even dream of going on a 5 mile walk in the evening without a little planning! There is a compass on the i-phone but obviously none of them know what that is for
Why on earth would anyone need planning for a 5 mile walk.?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49319760
Has common sence been lost completely now? Surely anyone with half an ounce of sence wouldn't even dream of going on a 5 mile walk in the evening without a little planning! There is a compass on the i-phone but obviously none of them know what that is for
Have folk lost all common sense? Do we all need our hands held to get through the day?.
Anyway, getting lost is half the fun.
The mountain rescue thread is ridiculous.
First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
surveyor said:
The mountain rescue thread is ridiculous.
First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
If you've no reception, you've no contact, whatever the app.First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
I just use the map itself, or OS app if you've no map, and txt/vox. [Have done in a real situation]. The solution already existed.
In more general life (road accident etc) for someone who hasn't a clue about maps etc, then it's not a bad idea.
Its a closed source commercial offering. There seem to be a drip feed of these stories through out the year acting as free advertising....
There is a free to use simple, very accurate, common world wide standard already in place, so to suggest changing to a commercial and closed system is madness.
Still, these advertising stories will continue to crop up every 6 months or so.
There is a free to use simple, very accurate, common world wide standard already in place, so to suggest changing to a commercial and closed system is madness.
Still, these advertising stories will continue to crop up every 6 months or so.
Drumroll said:
They're a bit daft then, as most people have absolutely no idea how to get a grid reference.If they need a 1mx1m fix and can't find someone in 3mx3m then I worry about their usefulness
keirik said:
They're a bit daft then, as most people have absolutely no idea how to get a grid reference.
If they need a 1mx1m fix and can't find someone in 3mx3m then I worry about their usefulness
The whole 1x1m fix thing is a red herring as it needs an 8 figure grid ref. At best they'll be working to a 10x10m square (6 figure ref) of where someone thinks they are. Currently the most accurate position they'll get is GPS, which needs converting anyway.If they need a 1mx1m fix and can't find someone in 3mx3m then I worry about their usefulness
I do get their point that you really shouldn't be out on the hills without a good idea of map and compass use, but there's a lot of stupid out there.
FWIW I've downloaded both w3w and OS locate.
As it's a private company behind it, there'll be some money motive at some point... whether that's charging organisations like the police, mountain rescue, or something else, it'll be there once they've got enough traction.
Yes, grid refs are the "proper" way to do it, and yes, you really should be better prepared before wondering off into the wilderness. That said, it's -very- user friendly so practically anyone can use it without training.
Yes, grid refs are the "proper" way to do it, and yes, you really should be better prepared before wondering off into the wilderness. That said, it's -very- user friendly so practically anyone can use it without training.
It's only usable with an app so entirely reliant on a battery. There's no logic to it, unlike grid references where you can tell if somewhere is north-east of you; you have no idea where fondle.otters.pocket is relative to upturn.full.bucket.
So it's proprietary and not logical without a device running software. There must be some money behind it because it's being advertised fairly heavily currently but surely the only reason to spend money is for a return? I'll stick to grid refs, thanks, and simply use a map on my phone if I've got that with me.
So it's proprietary and not logical without a device running software. There must be some money behind it because it's being advertised fairly heavily currently but surely the only reason to spend money is for a return? I'll stick to grid refs, thanks, and simply use a map on my phone if I've got that with me.
andy_s said:
surveyor said:
The mountain rescue thread is ridiculous.
First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
If you've no reception, you've no contact, whatever the app.First of all I support that people should be prepared.
But some scenarios...
1. on a mountain injured and in pain. Scratchy mobile signal. What is easier - trying to get over a 6 or 8 figure OS ref, or three words.
2. Same mountain. No mobile reception. Oops. You are screwed.
3. On the way to the mountain in an unfamiliar area. You come across a crash. Scratchy mobile reception again...
I inspect telephone masts - often in remote areas. I think it's a great idea, and have downloaded the app.
I just use the map itself, or OS app if you've no map, and txt/vox. [Have done in a real situation]. The solution already existed.
In more general life (road accident etc) for someone who hasn't a clue about maps etc, then it's not a bad idea.
What3words, by comparison, is accurate to within a few feet.
Jobbo said:
here's no logic to it, unlike grid references where you can tell if somewhere is north-east of you; you have no idea where fondle.otters.pocket is relative to upturn.full.bucket.
This is, though, by design.Imagine you live at flat 3, 26, 7 gardens road - it's easy to mixup those numbers and be very close but very lost. Or even 51.2653, -1.4316.
With this system if you do make a mistake, even a small one - you likely be thousands of miles out and it'll be very clear it's incorrect.
Jakg said:
This is, though, by design.
Imagine you live at flat 3, 26, 7 gardens road - it's easy to mixup those numbers and be very close but very lost. Or even 51.2653, -1.4316.
With this system if you do make a mistake, even a small one - you likely be thousands of miles out and it'll be very clear it's incorrect.
For my instructions I take from our acquisition guys lat long, which translates onto a map on my system. They get it wrong a lot. Missing the - is a favourite, as are typo's.Imagine you live at flat 3, 26, 7 gardens road - it's easy to mixup those numbers and be very close but very lost. Or even 51.2653, -1.4316.
With this system if you do make a mistake, even a small one - you likely be thousands of miles out and it'll be very clear it's incorrect.
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