MPs say car ownership not compatible with decarbonisation

[John145]

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

The best thing we can do is commercialise advanced technologies as quickly as possible that help decarbonise. Stopping economic activity is counter to this.

Doing that too, my model 3 turns up in a few weeks

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

[RobDickinson]

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

[turbobloke]

John145 said:

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

The best thing we can do is commercialise advanced technologies as quickly as possible that help decarbonise. Stopping economic activity is counter to this.

Doing that too, my model 3 turns up in a few weeks

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

As it happens somebody has, well an organisation has ('Dust to Dust') and as per your thoughts, it didn't turn out well for hybrids and the like, so much so that reports on the study's findings rely on falsehoods to limit the damage to received wisdom/doctrine/faith/subsidies. It hasn't worked well on subsidies but the faith is still strong in many places. The porkies rely on people not reading the entire 450+ page study, and few have.

ETA the group involved was CNWMR.

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 23 August 10:40

[Digga]

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Maybe, but driving milkfloats blows.

[poo at Paul's]

rolando said:

Foliage said:

And has untold advantages, one of which being that electricity is a 10th of the cost per mile of petrol/diesel...[/footnote]

Until the inevitable happens when the government has to replace the loss of income from fuel duty.

Yes, in fact I think in actual cost of the propulsion method, diesel is cheaper per mile...……..then you have to add the tax...……

But in Utopian green and eco land, we don't need to tax road fuel, and the bunnies and kittens that will roam the country will share clean air with the great unwashed, who will forego their £3k per month benefits in order to live an eco life.


fking deluded bunch of s.

[RobDickinson]

Digga said:

Maybe, but driving milkfloats blows.

overgrown lawnmowers are no better

[Vizsla]

Digga said:

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Maybe, but driving milkfloats blows.

Yeah, but what about squeeze and bang?

[Digga]

RobDickinson said:

Digga said:

Maybe, but driving milkfloats blows.

overgrown lawnmowers are no better

I'm buying Hummers and tins of baked beans.

[RobDickinson]

Digga said:

RobDickinson said:

Digga said:

Maybe, but driving milkfloats blows.

overgrown lawnmowers are no better

I'm buying Hummers and tins of baked beans.

I think driving a hummer after eating beans is its own punishment..

[Evanivitch]

turbojoke said:

Evanivitch said:

Jasandjules said:

Evanivitch said:

If we all walked into a room full of CO2 it would kill us all, so there's an element of truth to that.

Or would we all just get greener and leafier?

If we walked into a room full of Oxygen it would kill us. Your argument is at best puerile.

Did I say anything about Oxygen?

A room full of nitrogen would kill us all so what was your own non-point again?

Humans operate well in submarine environments at 8,000 ppmv carbon dioxide and up to 10,600 ppmv (the current atmospheric level is just over 400 ppmv i.e. 20x lower) and medical oxygen cylinders used on patients in critical conditions are 50,000 ppmv carbon dioxide i.e. 125x higher than the atmosphere.

There's so much bovine excreta in carbon dioxide mythology it must be bad for the environment.

It's clear you're a practitioner of CO2 therapy
...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0143...

[John145]

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Interested to see your evidence. Cradle to cradle analysis please.

[Evanivitch]

John145 said:

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Interested to see your evidence. Cradle to cradle analysis please.

What do you define as the grave of the EV?

[John145]

Evanivitch said:

John145 said:

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Interested to see your evidence. Cradle to cradle analysis please.

What do you define as the grave of the EV?

When we move to teleporters! Ideally I'd want to capture the recyclability (is that a word?) of the concept so it'd cover the first build to the second build and the losses between the two and maybe an estimation on the progression of the technology and how that helps or hinders.

For example, when an ICE engine becomes obsolete the components can still be usefully recycled to go into the next (steel is still steel) but when a battery becomes obsolete are the rare earth elements still useful?

[Evanivitch]

John145 said:

Evanivitch said:

John145 said:

RobDickinson said:

John145 said:

Don't get too cocky, no one has done a whole life study of electric vs ICE damage to the planet. Tail pipe emissions is a complete red herring for the planet...

No really, they have, turns out ICE cars suck and pollute a lot more.

Interested to see your evidence. Cradle to cradle analysis please.

What do you define as the grave of the EV?

When we move to teleporters! Ideally I'd want to capture the recyclability (is that a word?) of the concept so it'd cover the first build to the second build and the losses between the two and maybe an estimation on the progression of the technology and how that helps or hinders.

For example, when an ICE engine becomes obsolete the components can still be usefully recycled to go into the next (steel is still steel) but when a battery becomes obsolete are the rare earth elements still useful?

But the battery can far outlive the financial viability of the chassis.

They can be used for grid storage or emergency power devices. Even if a 40kWh car battery is heavily regraded, 20kWh would run most people's domestic electricity demand for 2 days.

So by the same assumption than an engine block can be recycled, an EV battery can be repurposed.

[321boost]

RobDickinson said:

Doing that too, my model 3 turns up in a few weeks

You sold your 2 cars but failed to mention a new one coming? Didn’t you read the article properly? Their point is in the long term car ownership does not seem to be compatible with significant decarbonisation and here you are buying another car? What happened to setting an example? Cancel your order, cycle, walk and take public transport only. Take a bold action, show us how it’s done.

Have you considered a career in politics? Because you sound like the type of person who lives in their own bubble. The fact that you don’t seem to need long range and quick refueling and the fact that you can afford a model 3 does not mean it suits or works for everyone else or others can afford what you can.

Me on the other hand, I just like ICE. So I will continue to drive my ICE car and drive it hard as long as I can. Keep breathing my exhaust fumes and I’m not really bothered about the planet

Edited by 321boost on Friday 23 August 12:54

Edited by 321boost on Friday 23 August 12:56

[xjay1337]

BlackLabel said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/11...

While I know politicians are never popular, I hate that .

What they are saying is right, however (again) they are targeting the motorists as easy targets, not the global pollution as a whole and nor those who have old equipment spewing horrible fumes

[s2art]

Evanivitch said:

But the battery can far outlive the financial viability of the chassis.

They can be used for grid storage or emergency power devices. Even if a 40kWh car battery is heavily regraded, 20kWh would run most people's domestic electricity demand for 2 days.

So by the same assumption than an engine block can be recycled, an EV battery can be repurposed.

Batteries degrade. So the issue is how economical is it to recycle badly degraded batteries?

[Evanivitch]

s2art said:

Evanivitch said:

But the battery can far outlive the financial viability of the chassis.

They can be used for grid storage or emergency power devices. Even if a 40kWh car battery is heavily regraded, 20kWh would run most people's domestic electricity demand for 2 days.

So by the same assumption than an engine block can be recycled, an EV battery can be repurposed.

Batteries degrade. So the issue is how economical is it to recycle badly degraded batteries?

In context of the original point, that's irrelevant if the 2nd life of the EV battery continues to make use of the resources invested during production.

[Digga]

xjay1337 said:

BlackLabel said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/11...

While I know politicians are never popular, I hate that .

What they are saying is right, however (again) they are targeting the motorists as easy targets, not the global pollution as a whole and nor those who have old equipment spewing horrible fumes

Which begs the question, how many fewer car journeys there might be in our cities if people felt less at risk of getting stabbed on the street?

[turbobloke]

Several years ago the ex-Greenpeace leader Dr Moore pointed out from his direct experience that extremists and ultra-leftists had taken over the environmental movement, abandoned science and logic, and were descending into eco-fascism (his words). Now that this descent is nearing its nadir with the barmy nonsense from MPs producing this thread, it's good news in a bizarre was as nothing is more effective in terms of losing wider public support.