Election 2019

[Smollet]

A Winner Is You said:

Thanks for the link, I've taken their advice and changed my password to coffeetrainfish. It's so obscure no one will ever guess it.

I wonder how many will actually use that one now

[Digga]

A Winner Is You said:

bhstewie said:

Might be a good time to highlight the importance of strong unique passwords

The latest password guidance from the NCSC

Thanks for the link, I've taken their advice and changed my password to coffeetrainfish. It's so obscure no one will ever guess it.

Good idea, but I tried to do similar and it said "this password is already taken".

[Halb]

A Winner Is You said:

bhstewie said:

Might be a good time to highlight the importance of strong unique passwords

The latest password guidance from the NCSC

Thanks for the link, I've taken their advice and changed my password to coffeetrainfish. It's so obscure no one will ever guess it.

labourwillwin?

[anonymous-user]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Russians helping Labour?

Do you think the Russian’s stole your name?

[citizensm1th]

rscott said:

A few round here.
Lib Dem sign torched and the replacement defacted with "Brexit Now".
Labour advert smashed up.
Tory banner in a farmer's field has "Liar" sprayed on it.

So pretty even really ..

We have lib and con posters here around mk Bosworth including pleanty in the field boundarys but I have not seen any defaced or torched houses, I guess it really does depend on the civility of the area you live in.

[Captain Raymond Holt]

rscott said:

A few round here.
Lib Dem sign torched and the replacement defacted with "Brexit Now".
Labour advert smashed up.
Tory banner in a farmer's field has "Liar" sprayed on it.

So pretty even really ..

Yup. Just saying it as it is.

Naughty me.

[Captain Raymond Holt]

Halb said:

Captain Raymond Holt said:

Anyone with a hint of Momentum lunacy about them is all over Twitter screaming about how the BBC are a the mouthpiece of the rich right

Everyone seems to hate auntie.

Can't do right for doing wrong

I think the fact that both ends of the spectrum are grumbling is probably a good show of impartiality, the Nick chap was very good the other night for example.

[anonymous-user]

So much for Sturgeon going on and on about Brexit and the NHS.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1214498/ge...

[turbobloke]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

JagLover said:

Poll in the Sunday Times today showing usual ten point gap

Tories 43%
Labour 33%

Detailed constituency by constituency polling is only showing a Tory majority of 38, even with such a large margin and many seats are very close. The polling firm says that a hung parliament is still possible.

Don’t you know the drill, the gap is less than 10. That’s the official party message.


The numbers must be wrong...

More wrong numbers, Deltapoll for the Mail on Sunday.

44% Conservatives
33% Labour
11% LibDems
04% SNP
03% Brexit Party
02% Greens

Still less than 10 points in it

[uk66fastback]

Brave Fart said:

I was listening to that too - I really like John Pienaar and overall I think the BBC's coverage of this election has been impartial. I also thought Nick Robinson was very fair on Friday night's debate.

Rebecca Long-Bailey typifies the current crop of keen, young-ish but not very bright Labour politicians. Others include Angela Rayner, Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler and Laura Pidcock. All full of energy, but let down by their lack of intelligence.

Should Labour crash and burn on Thursday, I wonder which of them will start their leadership campaign on Friday morning? And I wonder how gushing they will be about Saint Jeremy with the bitter taste of defeat in their mouths?

Angela Rayner is a nightmare, just her voice is enough to get me riled. After Friday, when Labour doesn't get the result they crave, I hope they do have some kind of inward-looking revolt ... and wonder how they let themselves become such a different party in such a short time. As Sir John Custice said on Marr this morning, they're not the party of the working class, they're the party of the young. Too young to remember the last left-wing mob who were in (or tried to be).

[Dont like rolls]

uk66fastback said:

they're not the party of the working class, they're the party of the young. Too young to remember the last left-wing mob who were in (or tried to be).

[JuanCarlosFandango]

turbobloke said:

More wrong numbers, Deltapoll for the Mail on Sunday.

44% Conservatives
33% Labour
11% LibDems
04% SNP
03% Brexit Party
02% Greens

Still less than 10 points in it

That would mean Diane Abbott wonned the election.

[turbobloke]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

turbobloke said:

More wrong numbers, Deltapoll for the Mail on Sunday.

44% Conservatives
33% Labour
11% LibDems
04% SNP
03% Brexit Party
02% Greens

Still less than 10 points in it

That would mean Diane Abbott wonned the election.

Fortunately in the real world she can't count on it.

[Brave Fart]

uk66fastback said:

Angela Rayner is a nightmare, just her voice is enough to get me riled. After Friday, when Labour doesn't get the result they crave, I hope they do have some kind of inward-looking revolt ... and wonder how they let themselves become such a different party in such a short time. As Sir John Custice said on Marr this morning, they're not the party of the working class, they're the party of the young. Too young to remember the last left-wing mob who were in (or tried to be).

Chortle, yes agreed on all points. Regarding Angela Rayner, it's not just her grating voice, it's also the fact that she failed at school (no qualifications), didn't attend sixth form or university, and yet is the Shadow Education Minister!

I voted Labour until 2017, when the 3M's made them unelectable for me. McDonnell, McCluskey and Momentum. Perhaps 4M's if you add Marxist to that.

I genuinely hope that a bad defeat this time will cause Labour to return to a centrist, dare I say Blairite agenda. But equally, they might decide they need to be more left wing, more radical...........we'll see.

Edited by Brave Fart on Sunday 8th December 14:00

[turbobloke]

Brave Fart said:

uk66fastback said:

Angela Rayner is a nightmare, just her voice is enough to get me riled. After Friday, when Labour doesn't get the result they crave, I hope they do have some kind of inward-looking revolt ... and wonder how they let themselves become such a different party in such a short time. As Sir John Custice said on Marr this morning, they're not the party of the working class, they're the party of the young. Too young to remember the last left-wing mob who were in (or tried to be).

Chortle, yes agreed on all points. Regarding Angela Rayner, it's not just her grating voice, it's also the fact that she failed at school (one GCSE or something), didn't attend sixth form or university, and yet is the Shadow Education Minister!

I voted Labour until 2017, when the 3M's made them unelectable for me. McDonnell, McCluskey and Momentum. Perhaps 4M's if you add Marxist to that.

I genuinely hope that a bad defeat this time will cause Labour to return to a centrist, dare I say Blairite agenda. But equally, they might decide they need to be more left wing, more radical...........we'll see.

Presumably if they do head off into full-on toytown trot territory then the freebies/bribes will be even more eye-popping.

[Dr Jekyll]

There were rumours in 2017 of an internal Labour plot before the election to unseat Corbyn and friends as soon as the expected disastrous results were in. It was supposedly called off at the last minute after the exit poll.

Even if true, I don't believe anybody is in a position to try again on Friday. More likely Mcdonnell and Milne have their own plan.

[anonymous-user]

I wondered why the conservatives were only 10 (or whatever) points ahead of Corbyn and McDonnell. Thinking labour are such a bad option that they should be much more behind than that.

Looking back at previous elections though

2017 conservatives 42.4% labour 40.0% SNP 3.0%
2015 conservatives 36.9% labour 30.4%
2012 conservatives 36.1% labour 29.0% libdems 23.0%

10-11-12 points is actually a massive lead if accurate.

Even in Tony Blair’s “landslide” 1997 victory it was

Labour 43.2% conservatives 30.7% libdems 16.8%

[JuanCarlosFandango]

turbobloke said:

Fortunately in the real world she can't count on it.

She can't count full stop. And 1 in 3 voters would be prepared to risk that shower becoming the government. That is alarming.

[Dont like rolls]

Dr Jekyll said:

There were rumours in 2017 of an internal Labour plot before the election to unseat Corbyn and friends as soon as the expected disastrous results were in. It was supposedly called off at the last minute after the exit poll.

Even if true, I don't believe anybody is in a position to try again on Friday. More likely Mcdonnell and Milne have their own plan.

The "Cull" of any remaining moderates will be accelerated for "holding back "New Socialism", Red Mac will try the revolution on the streets thing (but keeping just far enough away in public) and there will be strike action by some of the Unions thus causing a division in that movement.

[Tuna]

This election is hard to call - the overall lead figure may not be reflected in actual seats in parliament.

For instance, a huge shift towards Labour in the Northern Leave areas might look like a big increase in support for the Tories, but still return Labour MPs in seats that are traditionally red. Overall result - hung parliament.

Nothing can be taken for granted. Everything is working at a local level.