Election 2019

[FiF]

bhstewie said:

Dont like rolls said:

Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.

See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.

Cameron and May specifically.

[bitchstewie]

turbobloke said:

What desperation? Liam Byrne pointed out in writing that the money was gone.

In that context, what cuts where Labour politicians suggesting to Cameron and Clegg in order to pay for more police officers? NHS?

And they found it again pretty bloody quickly when they needed propping up.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Dont like rolls said:

Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.

See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.

People being stabbed equates to socialists ruining the economy? I already know how easily you are confused as am I now

The desperation was keeping Labour out of Government, after May ran the worst election campaign in history.

Money very well spent IMO

[Dont like rolls]

bhstewie said:

See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.

No, the money did not go "to the DUP"

They may have struggled a bit with a ball covered in all sorts of Blair/Brown slime but they did not drop it.

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

turbobloke said:

What desperation? Liam Byrne pointed out in writing that the money was gone.

In that context, what cuts where Labour politicians suggesting to Cameron and Clegg in order to pay for more police officers? NHS?

And they found it again pretty bloody quickly when they needed propping up.

Cameron and Clegg needed propping up with public cash?

Neat swerve on the questions.

[FiF]

Dont like rolls said:

bhstewie said:

See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.

No, the money did not go "to the DUP"

They may have struggled a bit with a ball covered in all sorts of Blair/Brown slime but they did not drop it.

As far as police concerned they did drop the ball. Who can forget the bare face lies May told including those in front of the Police Federation when she accused them of scaremongering over budget cuts as she claimed there would be no effect on fighting crime. Well obviously you did forget the strokes pulled by May at behest of Cameron.

[Kent Border Kenny]

MrVert said:

Just listening to John McDonnel regarding 10% 're-distribution' of shares to workers, or 'inclusive ownership' as he's labelling it.

Or theft as most would realistically call it.

There will be Supervisory Boards to steer the direction of companies.... that'll go well...

How many international companies based in the UK do you reckon would just relocate?

Politics of a fantasist.

The 10% alone would be a massive problem, but far worse is the proof that the state in the U.K. was willing to arbitrarily confiscate property.

I can’t see how this could fail to properly destroy investment.

[bitchstewie]

digimeistter said:

People being stabbed equates to socialists ruining the economy? I already know how easily you are confused as am I now

The desperation was keeping Labour out of Government, after May ran the worst election campaign in history.

Money very well spent IMO

If you had a billion pounds and you had a straight choice between:

• Prop up May
• Fund Policing better and a few less people may get stabbed and/killed

Which is the responsible thing for a government to do?

I get it, no easy choices as if you fund the Police you're letting kids with Cancer die etc.

But still. Funding your political partners ahead of the safety of your own citizens doesn't feel like something that should be applauded.

[bitchstewie]

turbobloke said:

bhstewie said:

turbobloke said:

What desperation? Liam Byrne pointed out in writing that the money was gone.

In that context, what cuts where Labour politicians suggesting to Cameron and Clegg in order to pay for more police officers? NHS?

And they found it again pretty bloody quickly when they needed propping up.

Cameron and Clegg needed propping up with public cash?

Neat swerve on the questions.

What swerve?

They couldn't find the money for public safety.

They could find it when they needed votes.

Draw your own conclusions.

[pingu393]

bhstewie said:

digimeistter said:

People being stabbed equates to socialists ruining the economy? I already know how easily you are confused as am I now

The desperation was keeping Labour out of Government, after May ran the worst election campaign in history.

Money very well spent IMO

If you had a billion pounds and you had a straight choice between:

• Prop up May
• Fund Policing better and a few less people may get stabbed and/killed

Which is the responsible thing for a government to do?

I get it, no easy choices as if you fund the Police you're letting kids with Cancer die etc.

But still. Funding your political partners ahead of the safety of your own citizens doesn't feel like something that should be applauded.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the money to the DUP could be borrowed, as it was for infrastructure. Money for more police could not. It doesn't make it right, but borrowed money is easy to find.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

jsf said:

Needs stop and search reintroducing to be effective, which is something the current London mayor is against, so will need imposing from above.

Well the previous mayor is now PM so I would expect improvement but as he has only had the job three months we may have to wait a while.

[FN2TypeR]

Dont like rolls said:

FN2TypeR said:

Helicopter123 said:

The reduction in police numbers under a Conservative government seems quite hard to comprehend.

Didn't they used to be the party of 'law and order'?

Edited by Helicopter123 on Tuesday 19th November 17:20

And now they're crowing about how they're going to increase policing numbers to what it was prior to them taking charge

Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.

[98elise]

Kent Border Kenny said:

MrVert said:

Just listening to John McDonnel regarding 10% 're-distribution' of shares to workers, or 'inclusive ownership' as he's labelling it.

Or theft as most would realistically call it.

There will be Supervisory Boards to steer the direction of companies.... that'll go well...

How many international companies based in the UK do you reckon would just relocate?

Politics of a fantasist.

The 10% alone would be a massive problem, but far worse is the proof that the state in the U.K. was willing to arbitrarily confiscate property.

I can’t see how this could fail to properly destroy investment.

They have already done this with Landlords. We will be forced to sell our property to tenants at a discount price. For me that's about 30k per property.

In addition that will trigger a capital gain on the remaining equity so I will then get a big tax bill. That's my pension wiped out.

I've lived long enough to see many governments and many more budgets. Red or blue even the biggest changes have only made a few thousand difference per year. Labours policies will see me nearly wiped out if they ever get to enact them.

I never thought I would see the day when ordinary people would vote for a government that would seize assets from individuals, schools, and companies.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

They have already done this with Landlords. We will be forced to sell our property to tenants at a discount price. For me that's about 30k per property.

In addition that will trigger a capital gain on the remaining equity so I will then get a big tax bill. That's my pension wiped out.

I've lived long enough to see many governments and many more budgets. Red or blue even the biggest changes have only made a few thousand difference per year. Labours policies will see me nearly wiped out if they ever get to enact them.

I never thought I would see the day when ordinary people would vote for a government that would seize assets from individuals, schools, and companies.

Lets hope you never will see enough of them do that.

[Crafty_]

I'm in a top 10 tory marginal seat. Tory leaflet is on brexit and nothing else.
Labour on local issues, with a section on the back for national issues, although weirdly not the headline ones we've heard in the past few days.

Meantime, not sure what to make of this report from a CBI meeting, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/election-party-m...

ETA: 5 minutes in to the so called debate, they're both bloody pathetic. Corbyn loses because he can't put his fking glasses on straight and its annoying me.

Edited by Crafty_ on Tuesday 19th November 20:16

[Vanden Saab]

Crafty_ said:

I'm in a top 10 tory marginal seat. Tory leaflet is on brexit and nothing else.
Labour on local issues, with a section on the back for national issues, although weirdly not the headline ones we've heard in the past few days.

Meantime, not sure what to make of this report from a CBI meeting, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/election-party-m...

Have a look at who wrote it and his politics and it will become glaringly obvious...

[chrispmartha]

Sneaky

[jeff666]

98elise said:

They have already done this with Landlords. We will be forced to sell our property to tenants at a discount price. For me that's about 30k per property.

In addition that will trigger a capital gain on the remaining equity so I will then get a big tax bill. That's my pension wiped out.

I've lived long enough to see many governments and many more budgets. Red or blue even the biggest changes have only made a few thousand difference per year. Labours policies will see me nearly wiped out if they ever get to enact them.

I never thought I would see the day when ordinary people would vote for a government that would seize assets from individuals, schools, and companies.

For the many not the few,

Didn't you get the memo ?

Thing is the people who will vote labour have nothing, they don't have rental properties, run businesses etc, they see somebody like you and buisiness owners like me as privileged, lucky etc, they don't see the many years of hard graft that has got us to where we are today.

I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in especially with Corbyn at the helm.

[Tuna]

jsf said:

You seem to have missed the Tories now have a new leader who has a different approach to the last two.

This is quite a big deal - Brexit rather disguised May's mile-wide authoritarian streak. It's hardly been noticed, but things like her draconian and unworkable porn laws have been quietly dropped, and many policies been revised since she was ousted.

Personally, I rather welcome the Tories having a policy reset, and reviewing what it is people want - though they're still rather tin-eared on the needs of SMEs when it comes to a supportive, flexible economic environment for growth.

[chrispmartha]

jeff666 said:

98elise said:

They have already done this with Landlords. We will be forced to sell our property to tenants at a discount price. For me that's about 30k per property.

In addition that will trigger a capital gain on the remaining equity so I will then get a big tax bill. That's my pension wiped out.

I've lived long enough to see many governments and many more budgets. Red or blue even the biggest changes have only made a few thousand difference per year. Labours policies will see me nearly wiped out if they ever get to enact them.

I never thought I would see the day when ordinary people would vote for a government that would seize assets from individuals, schools, and companies.

For the many not the few,

Didn't you get the memo ?

Thing is the people who will vote labour have nothing, they don't have rental properties, run businesses etc, they see somebody like you and buisiness owners like me as privileged, lucky etc, they don't see the many years of hard graft that has got us to where we are today.

I don't think Labour have a hope in hell of getting in especially with Corbyn at the helm.

That’s simply not true, I know quite a few business owners that will be voting labour and some have rental properties life isn’t as black and white as is portrayed especially on here. Saying anyone that votes Labour has nothing is rubbish.