Election 2019

Poll: Election 2019

Total Members Polled: 1342

Conservative Party: 57%
Labour: 6%
Lib Dem: 20%
Green: 1%
Brexit Party: 8%
UKIP: 0%
SNP: 1%
Plaid Cymru: 0%
Other.: 2%
Spoil ballot paper. : 4%
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Helicopter123

6,701 posts

104 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Another one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-...

Tory Aberdeen candidate suspended for 'unacceptable' comments

You have to wonder how ALL parties are failing to weed out the nutters? Presumably some sort of a process in place?

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Helicopter123 said:
Another one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-...

Tory Aberdeen candidate suspended for 'unacceptable' comments

You have to wonder how ALL parties are failing to weed out the nutters? Presumably some sort of a process in place?
I expect we're going to be hearing "out of context" quite a lot over the next few weeks.

FiF

36,227 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Sorry, but LoL.




Helicopter123

6,701 posts

104 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
jsf said:
bhstewie said:
It's almost as if they have't had 9 years to be tackling knife crime.

Seriously, we need a General Election to be prosecuting people for knife possession quickly and it's a "conservative plan" even though they can't have been doing it very well or else why are they now announcing it as a bold new policy? confused
Needs stop and search reintroducing to be effective, which is something the current London mayor is against, so will need imposing from above.
They have had 9 years and have abjectly failed.

It simply seems a bit rich to be introducing this as some brave bold new policy when they have had 9 years to have done something about the issue.

Want to stop crime? Don't cut Police seems a fairly sensible starting point.

Lipstick on a pig leaps to mind.
The reduction in police numbers under a Conservative government seems quite hard to comprehend.

Didn't they used to be the party of 'law and order'?


Edited by Helicopter123 on Tuesday 19th November 17:20

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Helicopter123 said:
The reduction in policy numbers under a Conservative government seems quite hard to comprehend.

Didn't they used to be the party of 'law and order'?
I'm sure there would have been things in 2010 where Labour were offering them where anyone sensible would have said "But you've had 13 years".

They all try the same st.

jsf

14,528 posts

184 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
They have had 9 years and have abjectly failed.

It simply seems a bit rich to be introducing this as some brave bold new policy when they have had 9 years to have done something about the issue.

Want to stop crime? Don't cut Police seems a fairly sensible starting point.

Lipstick on a pig leaps to mind.
Ok I'm sold. Lets change the policy to one where yoof get free 12" blades with every pair of baggy arsed jeans.

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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jsf said:
Ok I'm sold. Lets change the policy to one where yoof get free 12" blades with every pair of baggy arsed jeans.
And now you're being obtuse.

My point is simply that this could have been done at any point during the past 9 years.

Priti Patel could have announced this on her first day in office if it's all Cameron and May's fault.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to be dealing with knife crime.

But they should have been dealing with it already.

It's just blatant electioneering rather than an admission of abject failure.

jsf

14,528 posts

184 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
And now you're being obtuse.

My point is simply that this could have been done at any point during the past 9 years.

Priti Patel could have announced this on her first day in office if it's all Cameron and May's fault.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing to be dealing with knife crime.

But they should have been dealing with it already.

It's just blatant electioneering.
You always get headline policy statements during an election.

You seem to have missed the Tories now have a new leader who has a different approach to the last two.

turbobloke

87,182 posts

208 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
My point is simply that this could have been done at any point during the past 9 years.
In the same way, Labour could have tackled poverty / inequality in 13 years. An extra 4 years...

Yet they still keep going on about it, pure electioneering.

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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jsf said:
You always get headline policy statements during an election.

You seem to have missed the Tories now have a new leader who has a different approach to the last two.
Of course.

I'd simply hope people might think "Hold on a moment, you lot got us into this mess".

They're almost certainly best placed to get us out of it too, I'd have zero faith in Corbyn on that one.

But there's something oddly fked up about seeing the Conservative party make a big deal out of law and order given they're responsible for most of the current Policing mess.

jsf

14,528 posts

184 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
Of course.

I'd simply hope people might think "Hold on a moment, you lot got us into this mess".

They're almost certainly best placed to get us out of it too, I'd have zero faith in Corbyn on that one.

But there's something oddly fked up about seeing the Conservative party make a big deal out of law and order given they're responsible for most of the current Policing mess.
The Mayor of London was given a direct mandate for policing in London in 2011, as part of the Police and Social Responsibility Act. As such, the Mayor is responsible for setting the strategic direction of policing in London through the Police and Crime Plan.

Knife crime has absolutely taken off under Khan.

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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jsf said:
The Mayor of London was given a direct mandate for policing in London in 2011, as part of the Police and Social Responsibility Act. As such, the Mayor is responsible for setting the strategic direction of policing in London through the Police and Crime Plan.

Knife crime has absolutely taken off under Khan.
No issue with Khan taking his share of responsibility for London and he always comes across as asleep at the wheel on it.

However I believe Kent and West Yorkshire saw the biggest jump in the number of offences and 39 out of 44 forces recorded increases.

That's from a very quick Google and I'm not even remotely pretending to know much about this other than to stress that it's a UK issue not just a London one.

Like I said, tacking it is good, but I'd hope people would ask themselves why it wasn't being tackled properly before.

FN2TypeR

6,424 posts

41 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Helicopter123 said:
The reduction in police numbers under a Conservative government seems quite hard to comprehend.

Didn't they used to be the party of 'law and order'?


Edited by Helicopter123 on Tuesday 19th November 17:20
And now they're crowing about how they're going to increase policing numbers to what it was prior to them taking charge

rofl

Dont like rolls

499 posts

2 months

Tuesday 19th November
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FN2TypeR said:
Helicopter123 said:
The reduction in police numbers under a Conservative government seems quite hard to comprehend.

Didn't they used to be the party of 'law and order'?


Edited by Helicopter123 on Tuesday 19th November 17:20
And now they're crowing about how they're going to increase policing numbers to what it was prior to them taking charge

rofl
Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Dont like rolls said:
Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.
See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.

turbobloke

87,182 posts

208 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
Dont like rolls said:
Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.
See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.
What desperation? Liam Byrne pointed out in writing that the money was gone.

In that context, what cuts where Labour politicians suggesting to Cameron and Clegg in order to pay for more police officers? NHS?

FiF

36,227 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
Dont like rolls said:
Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.
See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.
Cameron and May specifically.

bitchstewie

23,026 posts

158 months

Tuesday 19th November
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turbobloke said:
What desperation? Liam Byrne pointed out in writing that the money was gone.

In that context, what cuts where Labour politicians suggesting to Cameron and Clegg in order to pay for more police officers? NHS?
And they found it again pretty bloody quickly when they needed propping up.

digimeistter

5,012 posts

157 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
Dont like rolls said:
Now the economy is back on track after our friendly socialists fk it up AGAIN, we are lucky that the economy can stand the increased costs.
Thank god for the Conservatives.
See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.
People being stabbed equates to socialists ruining the economy? I already know how easily you are confused as am I now biggrin

The desperation was keeping Labour out of Government, after May ran the worst election campaign in history.

Money very well spent IMO

Dont like rolls

499 posts

2 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bhstewie said:
See this is where I get really confused.

People being stabbed? Ah times are tough, socialists spent it all you see...

Billion quid for the DUP? No problem we can do that...

I don't get the desparation to defend what were choices when it appears that they can't be defended looking at the outcome so far.

They dropped the ball.
No, the money did not go "to the DUP"

They may have struggled a bit with a ball covered in all sorts of Blair/Brown slime but they did not drop it.