Election 2019

[Dont like rolls]

bhstewie said:

The Marr interview was a bad interview and I don't think Marr conducted himself well or came out of it looking good.

That is not the same as suggesting that the public are "fed up" of interviews.

Andrew Neil is tough but fair.

Of course I can sympathise with Johnson for not wanting to be made to look like an untrustworthy liar with no credibility on national television.

But I can also call him a coward for knowing that is exactly what he would look like and choosing to duck the interview.

Sorry to break it to you, there are no Hero's in Politics.

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

don'tbesilly said:

The senior Conservative source was quite right though, just watch the Marr show from last Sunday.
Marr was appalling, mainly because all he did was ask a question and within seconds was interrupting Johnson's response.

Neil has done much the same on all the four interviews he's done to date, he did it with Sturgeon, he did it with Corbyn, then Swinson and last night's grilling of Farage was no different to the previous three, the only difference is that Neil doesn't interrupt as often as Marr does.

You can sympathise with Johnson to a degree, he's witnessed 4 other interviewees get mullered.mauled (verbally) and left wondering whether they have any credibility left at all, and he's (Johnson) asked whether he'd like some of the same, why the hell would he?

If you get a choice as to whether you can escape a firing squad, most people when asked would likely say...

"thanks I will give at a swerve now you've asked".

The Marr interview was a bad interview and I don't think Marr conducted himself well or came out of it looking good.

That is not the same as suggesting that the public are "fed up" of interviews.

It's not a Corrie or IACGMOOH thing.

YouGov Daily
Friday, 29 November

"The majority of Brits (54%) say they aren’t interested in keeping up to date with the TV election debates."

They/we know what to expect - constant interruptions.

[bitchstewie]

turbobloke said:

It's not a Corrie or IACGMOOH thing.

YouGov Daily
Friday, 29 November

"The majority of Brits (54%) say they aren’t interested in keeping up to date with the TV election debates."

They/we know what to expect - constant interruptions.

So change the channel

Seems a simpler option than politicians deciding and stating what the public are "fed up" with.

[stongle]

Pan Pan Pan said:

All each and anyone of us has to remember is that we each have one vote, and one vote only (unless of course we are a student! )
The only input any of us will have is when we go to the polling booth, and put down our X in the preferred box.
All we can ask of people is that they use their one vote as wisely as they can.

Damn straight.

Massively, massively important people vote. Particularly in marginals. If you don't want McDonnell running the country, then get out and vote on the 12th. Labour are going to flood the marginals with activists, and Borg like social media crap.

Vote for anyone, bar Labour or BREXIT party on the 12th. Neither Labour or BREXIT party have your interests at heart - only their own. I'd rather take my chances with the EC and ECB than back door Labour in.

I don't think 10point less is enough, it should be 15+. Hopefully the Cons have something in the gamebag for the next week.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

It's not a Corrie or IACGMOOH thing.

YouGov Daily
Friday, 29 November

"The majority of Brits (54%) say they aren’t interested in keeping up to date with the TV election debates."

They/we know what to expect - constant interruptions.

That poll was about keeping up with party leaders election debates not 1 on 1 interviews.

[Sway]

Leithen said:

9xxNick said:

Leithen said:

The evidence of recent elections, suggest the subject is nothing more than a useful canard.

It has a potentially significant impact, so complacency isn't appropriate. Surely all sides can agree on that?

The word "fraud" does, I'm sure, signify the importance of the issue and it's potential impact.

However, is there any evidence of complacency? I'd argue not. The Electoral Commission appears to be suitably independent and its integrity and diligence not in question.

Will there be attempted fraud? Yes of course. Indeed, the Commissions pages lists such past occurrences in fine detail.

Is there any reason for this to become a significant issue in this election? Other than it being a used as a pretty cheap campaigning issue, I would say no. Put another way, does anyone believe that through fraudulent means, a result will be altered? I simply don't see any genuine evidence of that.

But then genuine evidence of anything is in short supply at the moment...

Have a look at the last election results, and quite how close many critical constituencies were...

In some cases, fraud of less than 0.01% of the electorate is enough to change the result.

[ChevyChase77]

Errr...

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-new...

[D-Angle]

The Andrew Neil thing has made a few front pages today. I suspect the 'Senior Conservative source' is the beginnings of setting the narrative for Johnson to do the interview. Neil will probably open by asking him why he was so reluctant to be interviewed, Johnson will repeat the reasoning that has been 'leaked' today. After that if Johnson finds himself struggling, he can break Neil's stride with "Andrew, this is exactly what I was talking about, can I finish please?"

If he agrees to do the interview it will dominate the news in this final week, it's in their interests at this point to at least look for a way for him to so it and survive relatively unsavaged.

[Helicopter123]

D-Angle said:

The Andrew Neil thing has made a few front pages today. I suspect the 'Senior Conservative source' is the beginnings of setting the narrative for Johnson to do the interview. Neil will probably open by asking him why he was so reluctant to be interviewed, Johnson will repeat the reasoning that has been 'leaked' today. After that if Johnson finds himself struggling, he can break Neil's stride with "Andrew, this is exactly what I was talking about, can I finish please?"

If he agrees to do the interview it will dominate the news in this final week, it's in their interests at this point to at least look for a way for him to so it and survive relatively unsavaged.

The very last thing Boris needs to be doing on the final week is an interview with Andrew Neil.

Based on the polls, his majority is in the bag. All ne needs to do is avoid anymore gaffs, and instead go round the country pretending to look prime ministerial.

[anonymous-user]

El stovey said:

turbobloke said:

It's not a Corrie or IACGMOOH thing.

YouGov Daily
Friday, 29 November

"The majority of Brits (54%) say they aren’t interested in keeping up to date with the TV election debates."

They/we know what to expect - constant interruptions.

That poll was about keeping up with party leaders election debates not 1 on 1 interviews.

Interesting that is was older people, Conservative voters, Leavers and C2DEs that were least interested.

No mention of interview interruptions being a factor which, as you point out, isn't particularly surprising given the question.

I'm sure there used to be a poster here who constantly squawked correlation isn't causation...?

[booboise blueboys]

Oh ffs. Johnson's disastrous campaign rolls on and the gap narrows further. He is hopeless. Hung parliament here we come.

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 44% (-)
LAB: 32% (+4)
LDEM: 13% (-3)
GRN: 3% (-)
BREX: 2% (-1)

via @IpsosMORI, 02 - 04 Dec
Chgs. w/ Nov

https://t.co/m1hoBpI81D

[Steve vRS]

I would have loved to see Brillo tearing lumps out of the inept Johnson. The only thing that will keep him in power is Corbyn. And that is no way to choose a leader.

[Mort7]

bhstewie said:

Mort7 said:

I agree that that form of interview is pointless. The Andrew Marr interview being a shining example. Wise move by Boris. He has everything to lose and nothing to gain other than not being called "chicken". The car crash interview of Corbyn by Neil being all the proof you need.

How is it pointless?

It exposes things such as Corbyn's repeated failure to apologise for anti-semitism in his party.

That seems the kind of thing that highlights exactly why they're a good thing.

They shine a light on the character of those who wish to be our leaders.

Did you watch the Marr interview of Johnson? It was entirely pointless because Marr would ask the next question before Johnson had had sufficient time to answer the previous one. At one point Marr accused Johnson of failing to answer a question that he had in fact answered - such was his foaming-at-the-mouth partisan rage. Compare that to his interviews on the same program with Chukka and Shameless.

I would like to see interviews where politicians are allowed to answer the questions fully, whilst being kept on-track, not interviews where it's all about the interviewer looking to score points. The only character trait that the Marr interview brought out was his own lack of self control.

[Dont like rolls]

Steve vRS said:

I would have loved to see Brillo tearing lumps out of the inept Johnson. The only thing that will keep him in power is Corbyn. And that is no way to choose a leader.

Easy to say but answer this

WHO would you choose as a leader for the Uk ? (forget about the party for this exercise)

[V10leptoquark]

Just a few days to go.... and it will all finally be over, then we can get on to xmas and beyond.

Tory's lead looks to be strong and holding, with the Racist Party gathering the inner city votes.
The voting map of Britain looks very divided - the amount of blue in the countryside compared to the spots of red in the cities.
The future is not really about North vs South - but urban vs rural.

[Biker 1]

John Major has weighed in again, this time urging voters to elect 'rebel' independent candidates expelled from the tory party.
BBC quote:

He calls David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton "principled, decent human beings", adding without their "talent" Parliament would be "poorer", which is why he says he would vote for them if he was a constituent.

Tony Blair, the former Labour PM is also expected to urge voters not to give Boris Johnson a majority.

Farcical....

[bitchstewie]

Mort7 said:

Did you watch the Marr interview of Johnson? It was entirely pointless because Marr would ask the next question before Johnson had had sufficient time to answer the previous one. At one point Marr accused Johnson of failing to answer a question that he had in fact answered - such was his foaming-at-the-mouth partisan rage. Compare that to his interviews on the same program with Chukka and Shameless.

I would like to see interviews where politicians are allowed to answer the questions fully, whilst being kept on-track, not interviews where it's all about the interviewer looking to score points. The only character trait that the Marr interview brought out was his own lack of self control.

Yes I did and Marr did very badly.

Interviews don't always go well.

But let's not use one or two bad interviews as some kind of defence for Johnson scurrying away from 30 minutes with Andrew Neil.

[motco]

Biker 1 said:

John Major has weighed in again, this time urging voters to elect 'rebel' independent candidates expelled from the tory party.
BBC quote:

He calls David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton "principled, decent human beings", adding without their "talent" Parliament would be "poorer", which is why he says he would vote for them if he was a constituent.

Tony Blair, the former Labour PM is also expected to urge voters not to give Boris Johnson a majority.

Farcical....

Without fail ex-PMs never seem to know when their time is passed and to shut up.

[Digga]

motco said:

Biker 1 said:

John Major has weighed in again, this time urging voters to elect 'rebel' independent candidates expelled from the tory party.
BBC quote:

He calls David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and Anne Milton "principled, decent human beings", adding without their "talent" Parliament would be "poorer", which is why he says he would vote for them if he was a constituent.

Tony Blair, the former Labour PM is also expected to urge voters not to give Boris Johnson a majority.

Farcical....

Without fail ex-PMs never seem to know when their time is passed and to shut up.

Well those ex-PM's time was up well before either left office. The brass neck of either of them thinking they have a shred of goodwill or currency is baffling.

[GT03ROB]

Helicopter123 said:

The very last thing Boris needs to be doing on the final week is an interview with Andrew Neil.

Based on the polls, his majority is in the bag. All ne needs to do is avoid anymore gaffs, and instead go round the country pretending to look prime ministerial.

At this late stage an interview will not help. No chance to recover or the electorate to forget.

He's in the territory of "better to keep your mouth shut & have people think you are an idiot than open it & confirm it."