Poll: Election 2019
Total Members Polled: 1601
Discussion
V8covin said:
For only the 2nd time in my life I'm not voting....1st time was when I'd moved away and hadn't requested a postal vote in time.
So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
Posts like this makes me worry for the result. So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
All over social media are campaigns and efforts by normal voters to vote in any way that gets the tories out, and brexit stopped. I know lifelong blues holding their nose and voting for labour tactically (whilst publically hoping the lib Dems 'moderate' them).
On the other side of that debate, there seems less willingness for nose holding...
turbobloke said:
egor110 said:
98elise said:
Surely you can decide for yourself if he is a terrorist sympathiser just by looking at his actions.
Cutting rail fares is just asking someone else to pay.
Parts of the NHS are already privatised, under both Labour and Tory governments. There is nothing wrong with that if it's cheaper.
I can't see how anyone can vote for a party that will expropriate people's assets. I stand to lose a huge proportion of my life's savings on one policy alone.
Re the railfares , surely the conservative pledge of lower tax rates means somebody else has to pay or things are underfunded ?Cutting rail fares is just asking someone else to pay.
Parts of the NHS are already privatised, under both Labour and Tory governments. There is nothing wrong with that if it's cheaper.
I can't see how anyone can vote for a party that will expropriate people's assets. I stand to lose a huge proportion of my life's savings on one policy alone.
I think maybe when libdems say we need to pay more for better services there probably right.
Clearly it's a vote loosing policy though as the majority just want to pay as little tax as possible then moan how f
ked the NHS and schools are .ben5575 said:
bobbo89 said:
Con majority, maybe as high as 50 is my bet with them taking big numbers in Northern England.
I agree on Con majority although a more modest one at around 30-40. I also agree that they'll make good gains in Northern England, but it'll be tempered by losses in the south.After 10 years of Tory government, my public services have been slashed, my kids are educated in an class of 40, in a school that is falling down, I have been aggressively targeted for tax, public transport is a disgrace, the NHS is dysfunctional and poverty is rife.
Apparently the way to take responsibility this is to hide in a fridge. Add in Raab and Gove and there is no way I could ever vote Tory.
Corbyn. So obviously no Labour vote either.
So today will be either Lib Dems or Greens. What a sorry state of affairs.
That’s the only positive I can take from the s
te state of affairs we’re in. My own circle of friends and acquaintances are solidly in the “anyone but Johnson” camp and all tactically voting to try and deny the Tories a majority. Nice to know there are a good number of people who don’t abandon their social conscience as soon as they become successful.
To the many Tory fan-boys in here - enjoy crowning your new “king of the world”, I’m sure he’ll serve your ambitions of wealth accumulation well; just remember that if things don’t work out quite as well as you hope for, he definitely hasn’t “got your back”. In fact he wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. He probably would happily shag your mrs and then deny it all though.
But that ok because we’re all powerfully built “capable men” in here aren’t we:
https://youtu.be/DazMseVYGhU
The Pistonheads anthem
I will be voting tactically to reduce the likelihood of a Tory getting in which around here is unlikely. Anything to increase the chance of Brexit being scrapped . Unfortunately you could pin a blue rosette on a donkey around here and they would still get a majority.
I've read many of the various Brexit threads and intended not to contribute but today I will. The situation the country is now is an utter disgrace and an the naivety of the pro-brexit stance on here is shocking.
For example - if I don't like the referendum results I'm a "Remoaner" or you get the comment "Face it you lost we won." Maybe if we were discussing a football match that would be worth sharing but not something as damaging as Brexit which will further harm the economy for decades to come. If a business leader representing a huge company expresses a view negative to brexit it's "Project Fear". What a load of rubbish.
Leaving the EU is the most significant economic event to happen to our country since WW2. Is it not right there is due diligence. Another referendum is essential. But the the pro-brexit voice will claim that another referendum is not democratic?! How the helll can a referendum not be democratic? Slot has changed in the last three years.
So why should we remain?
Economists expect that Brexit will have damaging immediate and longer term effects on the economies of the UK and at least part of the EU27. In particular, there is a broad consensus among economists and in the economic literature that Brexit will likely reduce the UK's real per capita income in the medium and long term, and that the Brexit referendum itself damaged the economy
Read up on wikipedia and you'll see the above statement along with references to back up this assertion. I'm sure the minority of vocal Pro-Brexit individuals on here will know better than these well respected economists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
What about the Brexit divorce bill, a mere £39Bn. Weill it has cost us more than that already. The UK is losing an estimated £550m a week(!) in economic growth; ~£70Bn so far. I'm sure the pro-brexit voices will know better than S&P.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/b...
Why do I think remain? I'm not actually Pro-EU as such but I do believe it is the best option. My mainreasons for seeing remain as the best and only option;
1) We've spent 30 years backing a European cake and we are now asking for our eggs back. How is that ever going to work?
2) I've worked with enough companies that import and export goods to know that a no-deal Brexit will be catastrophic. It will be chaos.
3) Any deal that the EU agree to will be punitive. It will have to be otherwise other countries will join in and the EU will die.
4) The main reasons - I have no confidence in any political party or indeed any politician to be able to withdraw from the EU in an orderly way that can be beneficial to UK Plc. They are all comparably incompetent which the last 3 years has clearly proved.
Sadly the choice were have between the two main political parties is dumb and dumber! At least Corbyn is widely disliked by his own MPs so unlikely to last in position very long.
Touchpaper lit. I will be interested to read constructive counter arguments or will it just be insults?
I've read many of the various Brexit threads and intended not to contribute but today I will. The situation the country is now is an utter disgrace and an the naivety of the pro-brexit stance on here is shocking.
For example - if I don't like the referendum results I'm a "Remoaner" or you get the comment "Face it you lost we won." Maybe if we were discussing a football match that would be worth sharing but not something as damaging as Brexit which will further harm the economy for decades to come. If a business leader representing a huge company expresses a view negative to brexit it's "Project Fear". What a load of rubbish.
Leaving the EU is the most significant economic event to happen to our country since WW2. Is it not right there is due diligence. Another referendum is essential. But the the pro-brexit voice will claim that another referendum is not democratic?! How the helll can a referendum not be democratic? Slot has changed in the last three years.
So why should we remain?
Economists expect that Brexit will have damaging immediate and longer term effects on the economies of the UK and at least part of the EU27. In particular, there is a broad consensus among economists and in the economic literature that Brexit will likely reduce the UK's real per capita income in the medium and long term, and that the Brexit referendum itself damaged the economy
Read up on wikipedia and you'll see the above statement along with references to back up this assertion. I'm sure the minority of vocal Pro-Brexit individuals on here will know better than these well respected economists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
What about the Brexit divorce bill, a mere £39Bn. Weill it has cost us more than that already. The UK is losing an estimated £550m a week(!) in economic growth; ~£70Bn so far. I'm sure the pro-brexit voices will know better than S&P.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/b...
Why do I think remain? I'm not actually Pro-EU as such but I do believe it is the best option. My mainreasons for seeing remain as the best and only option;
1) We've spent 30 years backing a European cake and we are now asking for our eggs back. How is that ever going to work?
2) I've worked with enough companies that import and export goods to know that a no-deal Brexit will be catastrophic. It will be chaos.
3) Any deal that the EU agree to will be punitive. It will have to be otherwise other countries will join in and the EU will die.
4) The main reasons - I have no confidence in any political party or indeed any politician to be able to withdraw from the EU in an orderly way that can be beneficial to UK Plc. They are all comparably incompetent which the last 3 years has clearly proved.
Sadly the choice were have between the two main political parties is dumb and dumber! At least Corbyn is widely disliked by his own MPs so unlikely to last in position very long.
Touchpaper lit. I will be interested to read constructive counter arguments or will it just be insults?
Cast my vote this morning. Torrential rain here, deserted polling station at 8:20 (I was literally the only voter present). I have voted Conversative in the past, but I did find it tough, as I think Boris Johnson has come across as an arrogant buffoon, and I don't particularly agree with his style of Brexit. Even walking in the door, I still hadn't really made my mind up for sure. In the end I voted for the candidate I believe works hardest for the local area.
Just as in 2017, the whole campaign (from all sides) has been a total mess. If Labour had a credible middle-ground leader/shadow cabinet, very few people I feel would vote for Boris Johnson, and today's result would have been a similar landslide to 1997.
But it is what it is, and the reality - as I see it - is a left wing Labour government will be far more harmful to our country than anything Brexit can throw at us. I feel that anyone voting Labour should just think for a minute and imagine Diane Abbot being in charge of something. I reckon Labour are propped up by the younger voters - who are bowled over by social media influencers. Thankfully, Labour won't win anything in the area I live in - I don't even know the name of their candidate, but suspect he/she will be lucky to keep their deposit.
Just as in 2017, the whole campaign (from all sides) has been a total mess. If Labour had a credible middle-ground leader/shadow cabinet, very few people I feel would vote for Boris Johnson, and today's result would have been a similar landslide to 1997.
But it is what it is, and the reality - as I see it - is a left wing Labour government will be far more harmful to our country than anything Brexit can throw at us. I feel that anyone voting Labour should just think for a minute and imagine Diane Abbot being in charge of something. I reckon Labour are propped up by the younger voters - who are bowled over by social media influencers. Thankfully, Labour won't win anything in the area I live in - I don't even know the name of their candidate, but suspect he/she will be lucky to keep their deposit.
Whether you like Bojo or not, this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks
breamster said:
I will be voting tactically to reduce the likelihood of a Tory getting in which around here is unlikely. Anything to increase the chance of Brexit being scrapped . Unfortunately you could pin a blue rosette on a donkey around here and they would still get a majority.
Thank you, excellent post.This election is critical. If Boris gets in we will all be poorer and brexit will drag on forever. At least 7 years to do some inferior trade deals, and the campaign to get back what we lost will never end.
Northern Ireland will probably leave the union, along with Scotland, so that's the end of the UK too. Even Welsh independence is polling about where Scottish independence was around 5 years ago now.
Boris is a liar and he doesn't care about you. He will screw you every way he can. That's what Boris is, he only looks out for himself. And yes, he has private healthcare so for him the NHS is just a way to funnel money to private companies owned by his friends.
Andy20vt said:
Whether you like Bojo or not, this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks
It's not funny, it's full of bullshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks
t, disinformation. If it stuck to satire, it would be funny, clever even, but it does not and crosses way over the line.230TE said:
I.ve had enough politics to last me the rest of my life. I'm all politicked out. Now hoping for a decent Conservative majority so that all the politicians can clear off back to Westminster and stop pestering us for the next five years. (Also it would be nice to see some of the more spiteful and unpleasant Labour trolls on here get their arses handed to them, but that.s just a fringe benefit.)
We've not had much respite, have we?2014 - referendum
2015 - general election
2016 - referendum
2017 - general election
2018 - bliss
2019 - general election
breamster said:
I will be voting tactically to reduce the likelihood of a Tory getting in which around here is unlikely. Anything to increase the chance of Brexit being scrapped . Unfortunately you could pin a blue rosette on a donkey around here and they would still get a majority.
I've read many of the various Brexit threads and intended not to contribute but today I will. The situation the country is now is an utter disgrace and an the naivety of the pro-brexit stance on here is shocking.
For example - if I don't like the referendum results I'm a "Remoaner" or you get the comment "Face it you lost we won." Maybe if we were discussing a football match that would be worth sharing but not something as damaging as Brexit which will further harm the economy for decades to come. If a business leader representing a huge company expresses a view negative to brexit it's "Project Fear". What a load of rubbish.
Leaving the EU is the most significant economic event to happen to our country since WW2. Is it not right there is due diligence. Another referendum is essential. But the the pro-brexit voice will claim that another referendum is not democratic?! How the helll can a referendum not be democratic? Slot has changed in the last three years.
So why should we remain?
Economists expect that Brexit will have damaging immediate and longer term effects on the economies of the UK and at least part of the EU27. In particular, there is a broad consensus among economists and in the economic literature that Brexit will likely reduce the UK's real per capita income in the medium and long term, and that the Brexit referendum itself damaged the economy
Read up on wikipedia and you'll see the above statement along with references to back up this assertion. I'm sure the minority of vocal Pro-Brexit individuals on here will know better than these well respected economists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
What about the Brexit divorce bill, a mere £39Bn. Weill it has cost us more than that already. The UK is losing an estimated £550m a week(!) in economic growth; ~£70Bn so far. I'm sure the pro-brexit voices will know better than S&P.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/b...
Why do I think remain? I'm not actually Pro-EU as such but I do believe it is the best option. My mainreasons for seeing remain as the best and only option;
1) We've spent 30 years backing a European cake and we are now asking for our eggs back. How is that ever going to work?
2) I've worked with enough companies that import and export goods to know that a no-deal Brexit will be catastrophic. It will be chaos.
3) Any deal that the EU agree to will be punitive. It will have to be otherwise other countries will join in and the EU will die.
4) The main reasons - I have no confidence in any political party or indeed any politician to be able to withdraw from the EU in an orderly way that can be beneficial to UK Plc. They are all comparably incompetent which the last 3 years has clearly proved.
Sadly the choice were have between the two main political parties is dumb and dumber! At least Corbyn is widely disliked by his own MPs so unlikely to last in position very long.
Touchpaper lit. I will be interested to read constructive counter arguments or will it just be insults?
One word. Democracy. Either you support it or are willing to sacrifice the entire democratic edifice for the sake of the economy. All these economic arguments were made back in 2016 (with a helpful leaflet posted thorugh every door in the land) and yet the majority of the voting population voted to leave. If economic reasons were not enough to sway the vote last time why should they be considered paramount? It can be shown historically and with reference to the current manifesto that voting for Labour is bad for the economy should we never accept a Labour government? I've read many of the various Brexit threads and intended not to contribute but today I will. The situation the country is now is an utter disgrace and an the naivety of the pro-brexit stance on here is shocking.
For example - if I don't like the referendum results I'm a "Remoaner" or you get the comment "Face it you lost we won." Maybe if we were discussing a football match that would be worth sharing but not something as damaging as Brexit which will further harm the economy for decades to come. If a business leader representing a huge company expresses a view negative to brexit it's "Project Fear". What a load of rubbish.
Leaving the EU is the most significant economic event to happen to our country since WW2. Is it not right there is due diligence. Another referendum is essential. But the the pro-brexit voice will claim that another referendum is not democratic?! How the helll can a referendum not be democratic? Slot has changed in the last three years.
So why should we remain?
Economists expect that Brexit will have damaging immediate and longer term effects on the economies of the UK and at least part of the EU27. In particular, there is a broad consensus among economists and in the economic literature that Brexit will likely reduce the UK's real per capita income in the medium and long term, and that the Brexit referendum itself damaged the economy
Read up on wikipedia and you'll see the above statement along with references to back up this assertion. I'm sure the minority of vocal Pro-Brexit individuals on here will know better than these well respected economists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit
What about the Brexit divorce bill, a mere £39Bn. Weill it has cost us more than that already. The UK is losing an estimated £550m a week(!) in economic growth; ~£70Bn so far. I'm sure the pro-brexit voices will know better than S&P.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/b...
Why do I think remain? I'm not actually Pro-EU as such but I do believe it is the best option. My mainreasons for seeing remain as the best and only option;
1) We've spent 30 years backing a European cake and we are now asking for our eggs back. How is that ever going to work?
2) I've worked with enough companies that import and export goods to know that a no-deal Brexit will be catastrophic. It will be chaos.
3) Any deal that the EU agree to will be punitive. It will have to be otherwise other countries will join in and the EU will die.
4) The main reasons - I have no confidence in any political party or indeed any politician to be able to withdraw from the EU in an orderly way that can be beneficial to UK Plc. They are all comparably incompetent which the last 3 years has clearly proved.
Sadly the choice were have between the two main political parties is dumb and dumber! At least Corbyn is widely disliked by his own MPs so unlikely to last in position very long.
Touchpaper lit. I will be interested to read constructive counter arguments or will it just be insults?
V8covin said:
For only the 2nd time in my life I'm not voting....1st time was when I'd moved away and hadn't requested a postal vote in time.
So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
SDP? Pro Brexit, middle of the road manifesto? They're not standing everywhere but if they are in your area they could be an option.So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
Sway said:
V8covin said:
For only the 2nd time in my life I'm not voting....1st time was when I'd moved away and hadn't requested a postal vote in time.
So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
Posts like this makes me worry for the result. So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
All over social media are campaigns and efforts by normal voters to vote in any way that gets the tories out, and brexit stopped. I know lifelong blues holding their nose and voting for labour tactically (whilst publically hoping the lib Dems 'moderate' them).
On the other side of that debate, there seems less willingness for nose holding...
t state of the area I live in and how it is being destroyed.The area I live in is a very safe Conservative seat (70% majority at last election), so it won't make a blind bit of difference anyway.
On the whole, I agree with the above and am disgusted by everything to do with our politics and politicians at the moment. I simply cannot vote for anyone at this time.
I doubt politics will get the shake up it deserves at this election.
I'm also concerned about the role social media is playing and how many people are being led like sheep by its content. This election may be trial by social media. It's poisonous.
I originally believed in the result of the 2016 referendum too and thought that the country would be directed positively and the outcome decided by now. I'm ashamed of the way politicians, protest groups and vast swathes of the general public have behaved over the last few years. We are in a real mess at the moment.
Oh yes, I'm also pi**ed off with the way the NHS is being used again as an election whipping boy. The NHS are the only reason my daughter and wife are alive, so anyone who wants to use this as a propaganda tool for their own nefarious needs is an absolute
in my book.I will keep an eye on the results later. Whatever happens, I can't see this country getting any better because of the result of this election.
Edited by funkyrobot on Thursday 12th December 09:32
Seems to be a lot of anti-Boris posts on here today.
It's like product reviews where you only hear from the minority of people who like to moan about everything,
but the majority of the country that are happy don't feel the need to tell everyone.
I don't really have anything to moan about with regards to public services,
apart from the poor state of some local roads, but work is in progress on fixing those.
After taking one of my cars for a service this morning I walked back home in the cold and rain,
and placed my vote.
I think due to the poor weather the turnout will be lower than average for a General election.
It's like product reviews where you only hear from the minority of people who like to moan about everything,
but the majority of the country that are happy don't feel the need to tell everyone.
I don't really have anything to moan about with regards to public services,
apart from the poor state of some local roads, but work is in progress on fixing those.
After taking one of my cars for a service this morning I walked back home in the cold and rain,
and placed my vote.
I think due to the poor weather the turnout will be lower than average for a General election.
V8covin said:
For only the 2nd time in my life I'm not voting....1st time was when I'd moved away and hadn't requested a postal vote in time.
So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
I don’t disagree with some of what you have written.....but please do go along and at least register your disapproval by spoiling your ballot paper. I’ve done that in the past, and at least you are then showing your contempt for all politicians on the paper!So that's 40 years of being eligible to vote.
Why ?
I can't vote for that buffoon Boris and his watered down Brexit.
I can't vote for that commie Corbyn and insane policies.
I can't vote for Lib Dems as they believe in pretty much everything I don't.
I can't vote for the Brexit party since Farage waved the white flag.
I despise everything about British politics at the moment.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:ben5575 said:
I agree on Con majority although a more modest one at around 30-40. I also agree that they'll make good gains in Northern England, but it'll be tempered by losses in the south.
After 10 years of Tory government, my public services have been slashed, my kids are educated in an class of 40, in a school that is falling down, I have been aggressively targeted for tax, public transport is a disgrace, the NHS is dysfunctional and poverty is rife.
Apparently the way to take responsibility this is to hide in a fridge. Add in Raab and Gove and there is no way I could ever vote Tory.
Corbyn. So obviously no Labour vote either.
So today will be either Lib Dems or Greens. What a sorry state of affairs.
Similar views here.After 10 years of Tory government, my public services have been slashed, my kids are educated in an class of 40, in a school that is falling down, I have been aggressively targeted for tax, public transport is a disgrace, the NHS is dysfunctional and poverty is rife.
Apparently the way to take responsibility this is to hide in a fridge. Add in Raab and Gove and there is no way I could ever vote Tory.
Corbyn. So obviously no Labour vote either.
So today will be either Lib Dems or Greens. What a sorry state of affairs.
Where I live was a 60% Conservative vote last time so other than feeling I've done my little bit it has naff all impact.
This election is like no other in history
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