How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

[eharding]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

A Winner Is You said:

Phillip Lee won't hold a by election. Wrong sort of people's vote I assume

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1169172847664...

None of them have. All complete cowards and self serving hypocrites. They are actually even sub Ukip, who did at least face a by-election when switching. How st do you have to be to be sub Ukip ?

You could make the case that someone crossing the house should submit themselves for re-election, but those that have had the whip withdrawn for voting on a matter of personal conscience? None of those who had the whip withdrawn last night have crossed the house, as far as I am aware.

[anonymous-user]

Philip Hammond speaking at this moment in time.

Thank goodness he is out.

[crankedup]

A Winner Is You said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

A Winner Is You said:

Phillip Lee won't hold a by election. Wrong sort of people's vote I assume

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1169172847664...

None of them have. All complete cowards and self serving hypocrites. They are actually even sub Ukip, who did at least face a by-election when switching. How st do you have to be to be sub Ukip ?

It's a disgrace that someone can be elected for one party, then switch to a different one. There should be a law that any defection triggers a by election, but they won't vote for that as it isn't in their interests. Unsurprising, in the replies there is a video of him saying we must respect the referendum result.

The constituency can recall the MP if they believe he/she has acted improperly.

[Robertj21a]

alfie2244 said:

Will this be the last volume I wonder?

Didn't someone say that on the last volume - or perhaps the one before.....?

[Blackpuddin]

A Winner Is You said:

Phillip Lee won't hold a by election. Wrong sort of people's vote I assume

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1169172847664...

He's just done it for the memoir sales.

[ClaphamGT3]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

It's a shame Ken Clarke and the other rebels are allowed to still sit in their Conservative seat when they should be in the hall.

They are still the elected representatives of their constituencies

[Blackpuddin]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Philip Hammond speaking at this moment in time.

Thank goodness he is out.

Dreadful creep, the modern day equivalent of 'Lord' Michael Voldemort Howard.

[anonymous-user]

The remainers basically are stating that none of us who voted had an idea of what we were voting for in 2016.

Also, that none of us voted for no deal.

Yet they will not agree to a GE unless no deal is taken off the table.

We know which parties are standing for leaving and for staying. We all know about no deal and the fact that could happen.

So why not just have a GE and allow the public to decide?

Project fear yet again being spouted in the HOC.

[Robertj21a]

ClaphamGT3 said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

It's a shame Ken Clarke and the other rebels are allowed to still sit in their Conservative seat when they should be in the hall.

They are still the elected representatives of their constituencies

True, but not now representing the political party that their electorate actually voted for. So not really a good representative any longer.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

Will this be the last volume I wonder?

Come on Alfie, behave

[Blackpuddin]

ClaphamGT3 said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

It's a shame Ken Clarke and the other rebels are allowed to still sit in their Conservative seat when they should be in the hall.

They are still the elected representatives of their constituencies

Not sure what sort of 'punishment' losing the whip is, if the whip-losers are still able to sit in the HoC and vote. Seems more like party self-flagellation.

[s2art]

Robertj21a said:

alfie2244 said:

Will this be the last volume I wonder?

Didn't someone say that on the last volume - or perhaps the one before.....?

We are not quite at the endgame yet, so plenty more to come (I think the clue will be when Boris wields the mighty commons mace and clobbers Thanos)

[psi310398]

crankedup said:

The constituency can recall the MP if they believe he/she has acted improperly.

The definition of bad behaviour is quite tightly constrained and (rightly) with a very high bar at the moment but I think it would be quite simple and probably uncontroversial to alter the legislation to make changing party affiliation one of the possible triggers for seeking a recall.

[Robertj21a]

s2art said:

Robertj21a said:

alfie2244 said:

Will this be the last volume I wonder?

Didn't someone say that on the last volume - or perhaps the one before.....?

We are not quite at the endgame yet, so plenty more to come (I think the clue will be when Boris wields the mighty commons mace and clobbers Thanos)

As long as someone clobbers Bercow (and Soubry) I'll be happy.

[anonymous-user]

ClaphamGT3 said:

They are still the elected representatives of their constituencies

So Rory Stewart is an elected representative for Penrith and The Border parliamentary constituency yet they voted to leave the EU.

That in itself should mean he is not to sit in the HOC on a Conservative bench after last nights vote.

[Garvin]

Blackpuddin said:

Not sure what sort of 'punishment' losing the whip is, if the whip-losers are still able to sit in the HoC and vote. Seems more like party self-flagellation.

It's just preparation for deselecting them as Tory candidates at the forthcoming GE.

[V10leptoquark]

Blackpuddin said:

And this is democracy in 2019. Farcical.

A consequence of one single issue...
A parliament consisting of approximately 75% of MPs that have a position of not wanting to deliver brexit on their watch.

The solution is of course a General Election, if remainers block this at the moment, then it only acts as a further delay until they are voted out at the next term GE.
With a majority of leave MPs in the HofP brexit will be delivered quite swiftly.


At the next GE it is "prophesied" that the remain vote will be split between Labour, Lib Dem and the crazy greens.
Whilst the leave vote will be fully obtained by the Tories (assuming Farage bows down to give the brexit party votes to aid the cause).

It is highly unlikely that Lib Dems and the crazy greens will ask people not to vote for them, and instead vote for Labour - this simply wouldn't happen, as a general election although in this next one will be based on a binary issue, is of course not what established parties are all about. For the likes of the Lib Dems to say "please vote for Labour" is as good a statement to say that we are dissolving our party in to Labour. The crazy greens also.

So there is simply no point on continual delaying of brexit.
As the EU zone (especially Germany) slowly sink towards a recession there is little to sway public opinion towards turning their preference from leave to remain.
The media can also keep their current trend in NOT reporting issues that may have influenced leave voters if they wish, such as the continual and increasing volume of illegals making the channel crossing, but its not going to make any difference. Brexit will ultimately come as there are no new attractive conditions on display to remain; it is the same as it was back in 2016 and the previous years leading up to it.

ie. it is currently highly unlikely the remainer MPs will obtain a public mandate to remain between now and as a result of the next General Election.

Edited by V10leptoquark on Wednesday 4th September 16:23

[don'tbesilly]

John Baron: "The majority of members voting against the government tonight also voted to trigger Article 50 which said we would leave the EU 'with or without a deal' - which bit does he think they no don't understand?"


https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/status/116895532...

[anonymous-user]

Project fear in full swing in the HOC.

No medical care

No food

No fuel

No rights

No jobs

No future prospects.

Next, it will be

No air

No tree's

No beer

No socialising.

[anonymous-user]

Listen to this one

Stephen Kinnock and a number of other Labour MP's are trying to take back Mrs May's treaty as they regret not voting for it.

Unbelievable.