Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
jsf said:
And yet every leaver is supposed to be a Farage fan. Thanks for confirming most leavers voted on the options presented, that of leaving the EU or remaining in the EU, and not the personality cult of Farage as depicted in this thread.
Maybe they aren't but St Farage claims to speak for all 17.4M leave voters though.jsf said:
And yet every leaver is supposed to be a Farage fan. Thanks for confirming most leavers voted on the options presented, that of leaving the EU or remaining in the EU, and not the personality cult of Farage as depicted in this thread.
There are plenty Farage fans here, some with £25, £75, and even £1750 stakes. This forum is a way to discuss why they support a blatant conman who has weaponised racism to line his pockets.
Aren’t you interested in what motivates them to do this?
Blue62 said:
crankedup said:
Depends upon who has written the material to which you may aspire, we all as individuals have built in prejudices formed upon our past life experience, that much I can agree.. Not easy to unpick. We could easily apply the ‘learned behaviour’ to the thinking that the EU is the saviour, as many people seem to adopt. It is of course simply a political project one of many over the centuries which has grown and u.timately failed. People are tribal and until that instinct is extinguished attempts to mould belief into one thought pattern will never be successful, thankfully.
I respect your point and your view, but I can’t agree with your conclusion. We may be tribal but our well being and betterment is better achieved through cooperation, understanding and harmony. Learning to coexist and benefit from different cultures is a better future and has proved to be a better past. The natural extension, I would contend, of an ever narrowing society is intolerance, ignorance and ultimately fascism. I don’t think for one minute that you desire any such thing, but that’s how I see things developing as we leave. Just my view and no more or less valid than yours. Stay in Bed Instead said:
james_GTI said:
So are people that didn't care enough to vote in the referendum but spend the next 3 years all over the Brexit threads, only post on one side of the argument.
That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
I see you spent your two weeks probation back reading.That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
It honestly does beggar belief at the inability to learn from past experience.
BigMon said:
I've pointed it out before, but I cannot believe someone who is undoubtedly intelligent and has a high-flying, high-paid career (this is not sarcasm btw) keeps coming back time and again and posts with exactly the same style as before before getting banned again in a few days.
It honestly does beggar belief at the inability to learn from past experience.
PH is like a drug.It honestly does beggar belief at the inability to learn from past experience.
Can't live without it.
Blue62 said:
s2art said:
Sure, just like Canada turned fascist when it left the Empire. Or any number of countries that have left blocs. Sheesh!
The empire? I can see that you’d rather not develop the point, I’m ok with that. Down and out said:
So what do the rabid remainers want? Who should I vote for next month?
Is it full on open borders, full speed ahead yes sir, no sir Brussels? Adoption of the Euro? Is that the end goal?
No. Stay as is. Germany Plus. If that is rabid, I want to be super afraid of water. Up, mad Fido, and bite me!Is it full on open borders, full speed ahead yes sir, no sir Brussels? Adoption of the Euro? Is that the end goal?
Vote for the candidate that will most likely defeat the Tory candidate. The aim is to hang Parliament. There is zero chance of a Corbyn majority. There is a high chance of a Johnson majority. Avoid both, vote tactically, look for a minority government or weak coalition. That way the U.K. does not suffer the fate of a teenager in the vicinity of a passed over Royal.
DeepEnd said:
I'd class anyone giving him money - and admitting it in public - as a fan.
Wouldn't you?
No. They are often using him as a tool when they do that.Wouldn't you?
You don't have to like the bloke or be a fan to see backing his position at strategic moments gets you where you want to go.
That's exactly what happened in the Euro elections, lots of people voted Brexit party to send a message to the Tories to get rid of May and get rid of the May WA. It worked.
You now see in a GE the result of that pressure applied, which is a more leave biased WA and Conservative Party message, with Farage and the Brexit party support falling away.
Fans, as you put it, don't use the subject of their support as tools.
This isn't rocket science, but you struggle to see it based on your posts.
jsf said:
No. They are often using him as a tool when they do that.
You don't have to like the bloke or be a fan to see backing his position at strategic moments gets you where you want to go.
That's exactly what happened in the Euro elections, lots of people voted Brexit party to send a message to the Tories to get rid of May and get rid of the May WA. It worked.
You now see in a GE the result of that pressure applied, which is a more leave biased WA and Conservative Party message, with Farage and the Brexit party support falling away.
Fans, as you put it, don't use the subject of their support as tools.
This isn't rocket science, but you struggle to see it based on your posts.
We just disagree. That's allowed. Some like to use the excuse that "the ends justifies the means", but others will take the view that you have to be morally bankrupt, stupid or a racist yourself to support a racist like Nigel with his posters, AfD associations and the link - no matter what the cause.You don't have to like the bloke or be a fan to see backing his position at strategic moments gets you where you want to go.
That's exactly what happened in the Euro elections, lots of people voted Brexit party to send a message to the Tories to get rid of May and get rid of the May WA. It worked.
You now see in a GE the result of that pressure applied, which is a more leave biased WA and Conservative Party message, with Farage and the Brexit party support falling away.
Fans, as you put it, don't use the subject of their support as tools.
This isn't rocket science, but you struggle to see it based on your posts.
It isn't rocket science at all, no. The intent of his poster was blatant, crystal clear. Give him a pass for that and you are complicit.
Brexit is not a reason to tolerate a racism from the likes of Farage, is it? There are no acceptable reasons to tolerate racism.
james_GTI said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Goon is best ignored.
So are people that didn't care enough to vote in the referendum but spend the next 3 years all over the Brexit threads, only post on one side of the argument.That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
It’s like bash a mole with all these returning ex banned Farage/UKIP/brexit party supporters who seem to be bearing a grudge from the moment they turn up.
Maybe you’re another of gooner’s creations.
Down and out said:
So what do the rabid remainers want? Who should I vote for next month?
Is it full on open borders, full speed ahead yes sir, no sir Brussels? Adoption of the Euro? Is that the end goal?
'Full on open borders' or otherwise is the choice of the UK government and always has been, as has adoption of the Euro.Is it full on open borders, full speed ahead yes sir, no sir Brussels? Adoption of the Euro? Is that the end goal?
Not sure what you mean by "full speed ahead yes sir, no sir Brussels", but it sounds a bit emotional rather than anything tangible.
El stovey said:
Who were you before?
It’s like bash a mole with all these returning ex banned Farage/UKIP/brexit party supporters who seem to be bearing a grudge from the moment they turn up.
Maybe you’re another of gooner’s creations.
Why do you think I'm a Farage / UKIP / Brexit party supporter? (I'm not).It’s like bash a mole with all these returning ex banned Farage/UKIP/brexit party supporters who seem to be bearing a grudge from the moment they turn up.
Maybe you’re another of gooner’s creations.
jsf said:
No. They are often using him as a tool when they do that.
You don't have to like the bloke or be a fan to see backing his position at strategic moments gets you where you want to go.
That's exactly what happened in the Euro elections, lots of people voted Brexit party to send a message to the Tories to get rid of May and get rid of the May WA. It worked.
You now see in a GE the result of that pressure applied, which is a more leave biased WA and Conservative Party message, with Farage and the Brexit party support falling away.
Fans, as you put it, don't use the subject of their support as tools.
This isn't rocket science, but you struggle to see it based on your posts.
When you vote for someone and give them money it does suggest a level of support for the things they stand for and the things they do.You don't have to like the bloke or be a fan to see backing his position at strategic moments gets you where you want to go.
That's exactly what happened in the Euro elections, lots of people voted Brexit party to send a message to the Tories to get rid of May and get rid of the May WA. It worked.
You now see in a GE the result of that pressure applied, which is a more leave biased WA and Conservative Party message, with Farage and the Brexit party support falling away.
Fans, as you put it, don't use the subject of their support as tools.
This isn't rocket science, but you struggle to see it based on your posts.
If I said I'd voted for Corbyn and had given him £100 I'd be accused of voting for and funding someone with some appalling personal associations, poor personal judgement for having those sort of "friends", and someone in charge of a party with members who had expressed some appalling opinions against a religious group.
And I'd have to agree and I would never do so because it would be a damning indictment of my own judgement.
With Farage though, none of that seems to apply
You can vote for him but not agree with the things he stands for like calling a racist "genius" and sharing a stage with a group like the AfD.
You can give him money but the money you give him is only paying for the things you agree with, the grubby stuff is presumably being paid for by someone else's donations.
Voting for him and funding him is absolutely not funding or endorsing his rhetoric, the posters, or his "quality candidates" candidates who have supported the Warrington bombers for example
That seems like a bit of doubt standard to me and to explain it all away as "they are often using him as a tool" seems to ignore that they're directly funding and endorsing his behaviour.
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