Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)

[don'tbesilly]

bhstewie said:

Show me where I've said I'm fine with paying for membership of other political parties?

I've been very clear that I think giving money to any political party is ill-advised for precisely the reasons you mention i.e. you align yourselves with them and your money pays for what they do.

• You don't pay Labour for membership but get to say "Oh but my money didn't pay for the anti-semitic stuff that happened under Corbyn".

• You don't pay the Conservatives for membership but get say "Oh but my money didn't pay for the Islamophobic stuff and the things Johnson has said and written are nothing to do with me".

• You don't pay the Brexit Party for (non) membership (as it's a company) but get to say "Oh but my money didn't pay for any of the stuff Farage has done".

I wouldn't give any of them a penny because they are no better.

Never have and never will.

It saves having to do mental gymnastics to persuade myself I haven't helped fund that st.

I don't think that answers the question does it?

Farage is no different, yet you posit he is.

Your adamant that anyone donating to the BP is complicit in everything else Farage stands for, example:

bhstewie said:

Exactly.

The funny thing is whenever you look on this thread there are two schools of thought.

That people who support Farage and who in many cases fund his antics directly from their own pockets will accuse anyone reporting those antics of only doing so "because Brexit".

That those same people seem completely unaware that they appear to be making excuses for Farage "because Brexit".

It's saying something when you'll do mental gymnastics to let someone off the hook bang in the middle of a pandemic because of how you feel about the EU or simply because you think doing so will annoy people like me.

£25 buys quite a hold it seems.

You've made similar statements on the thread elsewhere.

Yet only the other day you wrote this on the BLM thread:

bhstewie said:

Good.

Entirely sensible and correct from what is known of the political movement and their statements and things they seem to be involving themselves in.

I think it somewhat highlights the fact that you can support one without automatically supporting the other.

It strikes me that as far as you are concerned it's ok for people to support and donate (many people have donated to BLM and not supported their political ambitions but just the main message) to parties to support a cause but not anything else.

Yet with Farage it is in your eyes a different matter, and you think nothing of castigating Farage supporters who did so just to support their main ambition, to leave the EU, but have no allegiance to anything else Farage stands for, including anything from the past.

It is hypocrisy of the highest order, and it's on display daily.

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

It's something I really can't wrap my head around.

"I feel strongly enough the things this political party stands for to give them my money but when they use it to do something fked up I'll claim it was absolutely nothing to do with me and my money definitely didn't help fund it".

It's the exact same reason the graph looks like this:



Nobody cared about the Brexit party as a political party (they didn't even have policies, remember ). They cared about not having the referendum result overturned. TBP was created for that landscape, and they rapidly fell into irrelevance once their raison d'être was gone.

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded. What I did care about, very much so, was not having the referendum overturned - enough to toss £25 into a black hole on the off-chance it made the slightest bit of difference.

[bitchstewie]

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

[B'stard Child]

El stovey said:

B'stard Child said:

The good thing is that 97.3 % of the UK electorate agree with you

Party	Members	Supporters	% of Electorate
Labour Party	580,000		1.27%
Conservative Party	180,000		0.39%
SNP Party	125,000		0.27%
Liberal Party	120,000		0.26%
Brexit Party		115,000	0.25%
Green Party	48,500		0.11%
UKIP	26,000		0.06%
Plaid Cymru Party	11,500		0.03%
Total	1,091,000	115,000	2.63%

So effectively you are critical of a a very small minority of the country that are brainwashed into joining a cult

Quite.

As usual it’s the vocal minority and extremists causing all the problems.

Not seeing any issues with vocal minorities or extremists - even ER seem to be quiet right now

El stovey said:

The silent majority aren’t the brainwashed reactionary cultists as expected.

And the silent majority (well ~60% of them) get to put an X in the box at election time without being tarred by association

So really it's not a problem is it?

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

So can you or can't you wrap your head around it?

[bitchstewie]

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

So can you or can't you wrap your head around it?

It's not entirely surprise that you don't care what your money funded.

[bitchstewie]

don'tbesilly said:

It strikes me that as far as you are concerned it's ok for people to support and donate (many people have donated to BLM and not supported their political ambitions but just the main message) to parties to support a cause but not anything else.

Yet with Farage it is in your eyes a different matter, and you think nothing of castigating Farage supporters who did so just to support their main ambition, to leave the EU, but have no allegiance to anything else Farage stands for, including anything from the past.

It is hypocrisy of the highest order, and it's on display daily.

You're conflating the message that Black Lives Matter with the organisation.

It's easily done and lots have done it.

I haven't and wouldn't support donating to the organisation.

Just as with Farage you can support Brexit but I wouldn't support donating the the Brexit Party.

[B'stard Child]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

And that I'm afraid is your problem and not mine or AD's because I agree with him

The impact of the brexit party from a standing start getting to over 100,000 supporters and polling strongly was enough to wake up the conservative party to the reality of their current position - they were fked if they continued their "leave in all but name" policy

£25 well spent IMO - after all he can only spend it once and now the pubs are open what he has left probably won't last long

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

And the silent majority (well ~60% of them) get to put an X in the box at election time without being tarred by association

So really it's not a problem is it?

They’re not farage supporters though.supporting brexit isn’t supporting farage. In the same way that being against farage isn’t being against brexit.

The conservatives and the leave campaign recognise this toxicity and didn’t want him as part of the leave campaign or a voting pact with him in the GE.

[B'stard Child]

El stovey said:

B'stard Child said:

And the silent majority (well ~60% of them) get to put an X in the box at election time without being tarred by association

So really it's not a problem is it?

They’re not farage supporters though.supporting brexit isn’t supporting farage. In the same way that being against farage isn’t being against brexit.

The conservatives and the leave campaign recognise this toxicity and didn’t want him as part of the leave campaign or a voting pact with him in the GE.

You missed my point - the majority of the electorate aren't members or supporters of any party

As far as being "against Farage isn't against Brexit" in the country that's true - in NP&E sadly it's not

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

Not just him either. Seems a few on here actually gave money to farage.

[anonymous-user]

B'stard Child said:

You missed my point - the majority of the electorate aren't members or supporters of any party

As far as being "against Farage isn't against Brexit" in the country that's true - in NP&E sadly it's not

That’s right, thankfully many people still have an open mind and consider all the options each election.

[B'stard Child]

El stovey said:

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

I don't care what they did with my £25. I don't care what it funded. I don't care who it funded.

That's not entirely a surprise.

Not just him either. Seems a few on here actually gave money to farage.

Correct - no other party was doing anything other than trying to water down the result of 2016 to a point where nothing has actually changed - that was a problem for me as I wanted change

[Helicopter123]

The Spruce Goose said:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/...

''We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment , infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction. ''

....''while Conservative supporters are more likely to support Leave.''

Farage knows his target market to sell to, selling the leave ideology to these types was a very easy sell.

Thanks for posting, very interesting link.

Explains quite a lot.

[Unknown_User]

B'stard Child said:

Unknown_User said:

B'stard Child said:

Unknown_User said:

I would be most grateful if you could explain how giving £25.00 to St Nige allows "membership"? I thought the donations went to his Limited Company?

I honestly don't care if he personally shoved it in his pockets - It was the only opportunity given to stop the attempts to "leave by staying in"

Great picture by the way - makes me smile every time you post it

Are you sure edit?

Don't be a C**t - you aren't very good at it

Apologies B'stard, I was suggesting I expect you to gift St Nige another £25.00.

[rscott]

don'tbesilly said:

Unknown_User said:

don'tbesilly said:

bhstewie said:

El stovey said:

Absolutely.

That sort just angry at the modern world.

I can see someone like farage being able to fire them up (even more) and take their money still in a post covid recession. These people like farage, Hopkins, Tommy Robinson always thrive on stirring up the unhappy and getting them to blame everyone else.

Pretty intoxicating to be able to make people look at ‘those others‘ and think it’s all someone else’s fault.

When he left LBC there were media reports that Brexit Party members were sent surveys around what they'd like to see in the future including whether whether they would be happy to pay “a reasonable subscription”.

https://twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/12786558...

What's wrong with that?

You and others seem obsessed with this £25.00 fee to become a member of the BP or make a donation.

The Tory Party want £25.00 to become a member and seek donations, Labour want £52.00 odd to become a member and seek donations, the Lib-dems want £76.00 to become a member and seek donations, the Greens and the SNP are no different.

Many who paid £25.00 to the BP did so to support their one goal, the goal that they voted for in 2016, anything else that Farage stood for was immaterial, the £25.00 wasn't a tacit acceptance of what Farage had said or done in the past, it was to support what they voted for/end.
The £25.00 was a good investment, as to deny that the donation worked would be ignorant to the consequences of what the result of the European elections led to, and I don't need to spell it out.

What is your problem with a Political Party wanting a membership fee or to seek donations?

The Tories are oft accused of Islamaphobia, yet it seems you don't have a problem with the Tories doing exactly what Farage is doing.

Labour are oft accused of antisemitism, yet it seems you don't have a problem with what the Labour Party does, which is no different to what Farage is doing.

Why in your opinion is supporting Farage seen as some sort of heinous crime to you and others, when other parties are arguably no better?

I would be most grateful if you could explain how giving £25.00 to St Nige allows "membership"? I thought the donations went to his Limited Company?

I take it you've seen the accounts of the Limited Company and seen suspicious activity surrounding the donations.
It seems you have also arrived at the conclusion that the donations made have not been used for the purpose that the donations were sought for, so some kind of scam has occurred.

Have you notified the authorities?

Many did in the past in regards to anyone campaigning for leaving the European Union and ended up being spectacularly embarrassed, you either ignored the stories or were embarrassed yourself, because like on many things you were wrong.

Would you like to put up (support whatever point you're failing to make), or put very politely, shut up.

I have no problem with anyone donating to Farage's company, but it's not the same as paying a membership fee to join a political party - membership entitles the individual to have a say in aspects of how the party is run, a donation doesn't..

[crankedup]

chrispmartha said:

crankedup said:

The Spruce Goose said:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/...

''We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment , infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction. ''

....''while Conservative supporters are more likely to support Leave.''

Farage knows his target market to sell to, selling the leave ideology to these types was a very easy sell.

If the young voters had bothered to actually exercise their voting Right the result just might have been that the U.K. remained an EU Member. I expect they were to busy on their smartphones and internet, perhaps admiring their Degree’s with Honours proudly displayed on the bedroom wall. I wouldn’t know what the reasons for their apparent lack of interest was, but it did seem that they simply could’nt ‘be bothered’ to vote.

Man who is criticising people for wasting time on the internet by wasting his time on an internet forum, hmmmm.

No wasting my time at all, I’m enjoying myself at zero cost to anybody. Certainly I put down my ipad when. ore important issues require attention, like popping along to my local voting station. Hmmm.

[don'tbesilly]

Unknown_User said:

No conclusions have been made on my behalf regarding spend as it is clearly you that insisted that the money given to Nige's Limited Company resulted in "membership". And when politely requested to explain your "membership" claim, you reply with the above childish nonsense. You might notice the question marks at the end of each of my statements.

Why would I notify the authorities because you seem to believe you can pay to join Nige's Limited Company? I can only assume your local 'Spoons is open and you have been enjoying their hospitality for a number of hours. If you are in fact sober, then I apologise in advance for suggesting otherwise.

I think your response perfectly demonstrates how vulnerable folk get so easily duped by the despicable unscrupulous in our society.

Coming from you that is fantastically rich, no one comes close to your childish posts.

I haven't been to a pub in years, and the last time I went to a Wetherspoons was in the early 2000's.
No need for apologies for yet another juvenile post, ignorance of what you're posting about is hardly a new thing for you, most of what you post is drivel.

[Troubleatmill]

rscott said:

I have no problem with anyone donating to Farage's company, but it's not the same as paying a membership fee to join a political party - membership entitles the individual to have a say in aspects of how the party is run, a donation doesn't..

Brexit Party was a established 1 issue party. What is there to discuss?


When the Brexit Party were considering running for the UK Elections - they did reach out to those who donated and asked "What should our policy be on....... "
Each couple of weeks - a new question.

It doesn't get more democratic than that.

[Unknown_User]

don'tbesilly said:

Unknown_User said:

No conclusions have been made on my behalf regarding spend as it is clearly you that insisted that the money given to Nige's Limited Company resulted in "membership". And when politely requested to explain your "membership" claim, you reply with the above childish nonsense. You might notice the question marks at the end of each of my statements.

Why would I notify the authorities because you seem to believe you can pay to join Nige's Limited Company? I can only assume your local 'Spoons is open and you have been enjoying their hospitality for a number of hours. If you are in fact sober, then I apologise in advance for suggesting otherwise.

I think your response perfectly demonstrates how vulnerable folk get so easily duped by the despicable unscrupulous in our society.

Coming from you that is fantastically rich, no one comes close to your childish posts.

I haven't been to a pub in years, and the last time I went to a Wetherspoons was in the early 2000's.
No need for apologies for yet another juvenile post, ignorance of what you're posting about is hardly a new thing for you, most of what you post is drivel.

Is it possible for you to explain why you clearly claimed the £25.00 paid to Nigel's Limited Company resulted in "membership"? Or are you going to continually avoid explaining away your wild claim?