Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

[vonuber]

It's amusing people bleating about an apparently undemocratic EU allowing protests whilst at the same time the UK government is in court trying to defend its right to suspend parliament when it wishes.

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

It's amusing people bleating about an apparently undemocratic EU allowing protests whilst at the same time the UK government is in court trying to defend its right to suspend parliament when it wishes.

There are times when parliament needs to be suspended. If it is not the government doing so who should?, the courts?

[vonuber]

JagLover said:

There are times when parliament needs to be suspended. If it is not the government doing so who should?, the courts?

And what times would they be, exactly?

[IforB]

S1KRR said:

philv said:

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They do not want the uk to ,eave and are doing everything possible to stop it.
Part of that is trying to discredit any brexit pm.

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I don't think they realise how it REALLY plays. Telling the UK (Whether its Tusk or Verhofstadt or Veradker or Barnier or Juncker) that the UK will fail without the EU. Is not the best way to make the UK think "ooh st we must stay"

Said it before, said it again. They should be asking us what would make us stay. What tweaks could they make to keep the 2nd highest contributor to their coffers? Can we change Freedom of Movement. Can we adjust the ECJ over reach. Can we reduce your contributions. Anything.

But No, they keep trying Project fear. Which didn't work out well for them last time. Definition of insanity...

Whilst I agree that the best thing for us to do would be to work with the EU and come up with a workable solution to keep everyone a bit happier (or a bit less unhappy) but remain in the EU, that isn't possible why the threat of Art.50 still exists.

We have a situation where the Government is hell bent on us going no matter what and so what would be the point of saying "if you stay then..."

The EU are doing nothing. That is also understandable. We are the ones who kicked this off and we appear to be the ones who can't make our minds up what we want.

Deal, No-Deal, Stay.

That internal conflict is what is making this such a mess and that internal conflict is entirely down to the way this whole thing has been gone about.

[IforB]

philv said:

What was tne pont of bj being tnere to be drowned out by protesters?
It is obvious why they were there.

He made a class decision to decline.

He’s a brexit pm.

It is laughable tnat many will criticise him for breathing, then for holding his breath, for that reason.

Yet they will excuse the eu who see to criticise and humilliate the uk, it’s pm and it’s people.

I am a remainer, but i haven’t let it bias me to that extent.

Protests are a perfectly valid way of getting your point across. There is nothing wrong with them at all.

The EU is not humiliating us. We are doing that ourselves. We need no-one else's help on that front.

[philv]

vonuber said:

It's amusing people bleating about an apparently undemocratic EU allowing protests whilst at the same time the UK government is in court trying to defend its right to suspend parliament when it wishes.

Can you point to your posts on pi
stonheads about previous closures by previous governments?
It is tne norm at this time of year.
And 4 days longer than tne previous 31 day maximum.

He didn’t create a precadent, though it may be highly convenient for him.

Get the facts right.

[IforB]

JagLover said:

vonuber said:

It's amusing people bleating about an apparently undemocratic EU allowing protests whilst at the same time the UK government is in court trying to defend its right to suspend parliament when it wishes.

There are times when parliament needs to be suspended. If it is not the government doing so who should?, the courts?

Do you mean suspension or do you mean prorogation? They are very different things.

[Murph7355]

vonuber said:

JagLover said:

There are times when parliament needs to be suspended. If it is not the government doing so who should?, the courts?

And what times would they be, exactly?

Google it. There's plenty of interesting factoids about it, but it's a fundamental part of our governing process.

Interesting factoids:

- the current period between prorogations is the longest since the Civil War

- the length of this one is only the longest since the 1930s.

Believe Boris' motives or not, he's not setting new bounds here

I'd have thought it very dangerous to get courts involved in this sort of thing. Any time where there isn't a large majority government (which I would think is very likely for a long time to come) it's not hard to imagine us getting tied up in legal cases all the time. No govtnof any colour will be able to do much of anything.

Said it before, but our MPs of all hues are letting us all down here and have been since the result. That, rather than the choice of leaving the EU, will be THE most damaging thing for this country.

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

And what times would they be, exactly?

For conference season and in advance of a new queens speech.

[anonymous-user]

vonuber said:

And what times would they be, exactly?

pretty much annually, when the session is normally suspended.

Boris just ended the longest parliamentary session since the English civil war.

[WCZ]

smn159 said:

In which case you may find that disappointment awaits you

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49551893

? it confirms exactly what I said, that those who voted leave and WON the referendum strongly support no deal and their will should be upheld.

also this is just a random selection of polls, the european elections whereby the brexit party won by a huge margin vs the others with their strong no deal philisophy.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

jsf said:

pretty much annually, when the session is normally suspended.

Boris just ended the longest parliamentary session since the English civil war.

Will the next be the shortest ever?

[AW111]

How is a bunch of noisy British ex-pats suddenly an EU stitch-up?

Vote Boris for weak and wobbly government!

[CrutyRammers]

IforB said:

They didn't even command enough support from their own team to maintain control of the Parliamentary order paper. They had no ability to stop those opposed to them.

Even May managed that.

Err...forgotten the Cooper/Letwin bill already?

[irocfan]

IforB said:

That internal conflict is what is making this such a mess and that internal conflict is entirely down to the way this whole thing has been gone about.

I do agree with this. In honesty I do wonder what the outcome would have been if, rather than the wailing, nashing of teeth and stamping of feet remainers had all turned round and said: "well this sucks, however let's all try and see what the best deal possible is and if we don't think that that is a good thing for the UK then torpedo it in the HoC". Y'know - come together, right now.

I am/was a reluctant leaver but IMO the current mess is one made by vested interests not happy that 'stupid racists' (an oxymoron I know) dared to vote the wrong way.

[irocfan]

IforB said:

He is incompetent and unfit to be the leader of this great country. Especially at a time like this.

you may well be correct - however who IS fit to be leader?

[s2art]

psi310398 said:

bhstewie said:

He didn't mislead the queen.

It's simply a co-incidence that both he and the Government apparently aren't submitting anything stating why they advised the Queen to prorogue.

In court, where it would be legally binding.

Equally, it might be that they are not testifying because it is matter of principle for the government that the exercise of prerogative in a matter of prorogation is the exercise of a parliamentary function and therefore beyond the competence of the courts.

There is also an issue with the practice that the conversation between PM and Queen is supposed to be private.

[Earthdweller]

IforB said:

You are aware that is a public street and they were fully entitled to be there right?

Maybe it was a public street, or maybe not

Notwithstanding that the Police and security services have more than sufficient powers to close roads and distance protesters.

If they had wanted a Sterile zone they could very easily have had one

[eharding]

irocfan said:

'stupid racists' (an oxymoron I know)

I think you mean pleonasm rather than oxymoron. At least, I hope you do.

[JagLover]

AW111 said:

How is a bunch of noisy British ex-pats suddenly an EU stitch-up?

Vote Boris for weak and wobbly government!

The venue for the press conference and the advance notice given to protestors