Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

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JagLover

42,406 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Interesting to read a Guardian article about likely amendments proposed to the WA. One apparently is going to be to take leaving without a FTA at the end of the transition period off the table.

So the same geniuses who thought we should negotiate a WA without the option of walking away now think we should do the same with the FTA. An entirely pointless endeavour IMO and Boris should either force an election or wait them out. Because we are not likely to get a sensible WA with the current parliament.

Vanden Saab

14,081 posts

74 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Bussolini said:
Mothersruin said:
Not when he did it.

...and given the extreme bias shown by one of the SC judges, it still possibly wasn't.
It was illegal when he did it.

There was no bias - it was a unanimous decision of eleven of the brightest legal minds in our country.
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Leicester Loyal said:
He's correct.
He isn't.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Leicester Loyal said:
In my opinion he still is playing a blinder? Ever since day 1 I said he'd go for Parliament vs. The People and nothing has changed my mind on this. He'd abided by the rules and hasn't broken any laws.

On the other hand you were saying he had no intention of getting a deal, was going to take us out regardless, was a bare faced lying about the Brexit negotiations that were taking place etc.

We can keep arguing on here all day, but every single poll being taken has Boris winning by 10% or more. The longer this goes on, the more that will increase, so it's perfectly fine by me. Once he gets re-elected and takes us out, you will sit on here crying that he's a liar, he's a dictator, he's a nazi and
he is unelected.

Soak it up people, it won't be long now!
Totally deluded. He’s messed up at every point. As I’ve said before, given the opposition, you or I could win the election. His “strategy” has been woeful to date, and he’s failed to do what he promised to do, what he’d die in a ditch to avoid etc etc. And you were the one asking people to admit they got it wrong a week or so ago when you though he was going to avoid the extension and get Brexit done. At least have the decency to admit that you were the one that was wrong.

Frik

13,542 posts

243 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..
No, they ruled it wasn't justiciable.

And so what? The lower court was overruled by the higher court.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Frik said:
Just so we're clear, were the judges only biased in this case, or are they also biased for the Brexit-related cases where the government has won?
We want sovereignty back.

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Stuart70 said:
ElectricSoup said:
She was a woman, so not to be trusted, and was wearing a spider.

There.
Misogynist, creep or both?
Or sarcastic. It could always be sarcasm. If you'd seen ay of my posts on this subject before, you'd probably go with that option.

(Hint: it was the "There" which was meant to give the game away.)

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Bussolini said:
Mothersruin said:
Not when he did it.

...and given the extreme bias shown by one of the SC judges, it still possibly wasn't.
It was illegal when he did it.

There was no bias - it was a unanimous decision of eleven of the brightest legal minds in our country.
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..
The ruling was that the case was non justiciable, ie, it is a matter not capable of being determined by the courts. That’s not the same as saying it was ok.


In any case, it was ruled unlawful (by the highest court in the land), which means, well, it was unlawful (ab initio).

Vanden Saab

14,081 posts

74 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Alpinestars said:
Vanden Saab said:
Bussolini said:
Mothersruin said:
Not when he did it.

...and given the extreme bias shown by one of the SC judges, it still possibly wasn't.
It was illegal when he did it.

There was no bias - it was a unanimous decision of eleven of the brightest legal minds in our country.
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..
The ruling was that the case was non justiciable, ie, it is a matter not capable of being determined by the courts. That’s not the same as saying it was ok.


In any case, it was ruled unlawful (by the highest court in the land), which means, well, it was unlawful (ab initio).
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
One is contrary to the law, the other is a poorly bird of prey?

biggrin

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

151 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Alpinestars said:
Vanden Saab said:
Bussolini said:
Mothersruin said:
Not when he did it.

...and given the extreme bias shown by one of the SC judges, it still possibly wasn't.
It was illegal when he did it.

There was no bias - it was a unanimous decision of eleven of the brightest legal minds in our country.
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..
The ruling was that the case was non justiciable, ie, it is a matter not capable of being determined by the courts. That’s not the same as saying it was ok.


In any case, it was ruled unlawful (by the highest court in the land), which means, well, it was unlawful (ab initio).
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
My God the desperation. Turn it in. It's a fking stshow, the whole nightmare. Have some dignity.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
Oh dear.

Stuart70

3,935 posts

183 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
Go on then - enlighten us...

Burwood

18,709 posts

246 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Stuart70 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
Go on then - enlighten us...
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue

Derek Smith

45,659 posts

248 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Burwood said:
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue
I'm not sure that's 100% correct.

The SC decided that Johnson's act was unlawful, i.e. against the law. They did not invent new law, although they can in a way. They decided on statutes and common law already in existence. If the SC decides, and without dissent, then there's little room for argument. They know stuff.


Vanden Saab

14,081 posts

74 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Derek Smith said:
Burwood said:
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue
I'm not sure that's 100% correct.

The SC decided that Johnson's act was unlawful, i.e. against the law. They did not invent new law, although they can in a way. They decided on statutes and common law already in existence. If the SC decides, and without dissent, then there's little room for argument. They know stuff.
Illegal is where there is written law stating you cannot do it (statute) whereas unlawful is a decision taken by a court where there is no written law making it illegal. AIUI.
May be one of our resident barristers could explain it better.

Bussolini

11,574 posts

85 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
The high Court ruled it was legal not long before the supreme Court decided it wasn't..
The High Court was incorrect (in deciding it was non justiciable), as shown on appeal.

Bussolini

11,574 posts

85 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Derek Smith said:
Burwood said:
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue
I'm not sure that's 100% correct.

The SC decided that Johnson's act was unlawful, i.e. against the law. They did not invent new law, although they can in a way. They decided on statutes and common law already in existence. If the SC decides, and without dissent, then there's little room for argument. They know stuff.
Illegal is where there is written law stating you cannot do it (statute) whereas unlawful is a decision taken by a court where there is no written law making it illegal. AIUI.
May be one of our resident barristers could explain it better.
There is no difference between unlawful and illegal.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

99 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Bussolini said:
Vanden Saab said:
Derek Smith said:
Burwood said:
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue
I'm not sure that's 100% correct.

The SC decided that Johnson's act was unlawful, i.e. against the law. They did not invent new law, although they can in a way. They decided on statutes and common law already in existence. If the SC decides, and without dissent, then there's little room for argument. They know stuff.
Illegal is where there is written law stating you cannot do it (statute) whereas unlawful is a decision taken by a court where there is no written law making it illegal. AIUI.
May be one of our resident barristers could explain it better.
There is no difference between unlawful and illegal.
Punishment?

Bussolini

11,574 posts

85 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Mothersruin said:
Punishment?
They literally are two words that mean the same thing.
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