Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

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Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Bussolini said:
Mothersruin said:
Punishment?
They literally are two words that mean the same thing.
If something is illegal, and someone does it, they're usually punished for it.

What was/is the punishment for this illegal act?

Bussolini

11,574 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Mothersruin said:
If something is illegal, and someone does it, they're usually punished for it.

What was/is the punishment for this illegal act?
The lack of punishment does not mean it is not illegal - plenty of people are found guilty of crimes and not punished. He could have been found in contempt of Parliament.

threespires

4,289 posts

210 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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I thought it was a bird of prey that was feeling unwell.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Sky news reporting that Boris will try on Monday to secure a GE.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Mothersruin said:
Punishment?
Semantics and clutching at straws. Both are against the law. Illegal is where an act is carried out which is forbidden by law - you cannot cross the road - but you do cross the road notwithstanding the explicit prohibition. Unlawful is something that is not authorised by law. You do x, but the law does not specifically forbid x. For example, if a law provided for crossing points on a road and said “you may cross the road at crossing points”, but didn’t specifically say you cannot cross at other points, crossing at other points would be unlawful.

Murder is unlawful killing as another example.

Edited by Alpinestars on Thursday 24th October 16:52

Stuart70

3,910 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Burwood said:
Stuart70 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...
Go on then - enlighten us...
illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue
With all due respect - utter drivel.

Mothersruin

8,573 posts

98 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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So it was illegal but not really very illegal because nothing happened other than BJ not being able to have it - So like stealing a car, getting caught with the punishment being to just hand it back and move on.

It's almost as if this st gets made up.

As an aside - which illegal acts do you get caught at, goes to court (a really flash one in this case), found guilty but not punished?

Edited by Mothersruin on Thursday 24th October 16:59

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Note in OED

Illegal and unlawful have slightly different meanings, although they are often used interchangeably. Something that is illegal is against the law, whereas an unlawful act merely contravenes the rules that apply in a particular context. Thus handball in soccer is unlawful, but it is not illegal. A third word with a similar meaning is illicit: this tends to encompass things that are forbidden or disapproved of by custom or society, as in an illicit love affair.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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s2art said:
Note in OED

Illegal and unlawful have slightly different meanings, although they are often used interchangeably. Something that is illegal is against the law, whereas an unlawful act merely contravenes the rules that apply in a particular context. Thus handball in soccer is unlawful, but it is not illegal. A third word with a similar meaning is illicit: this tends to encompass things that are forbidden or disapproved of by custom or society, as in an illicit love affair.
So, would not complying with the Benn Act be illegal or unlawful?

scratchchin

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Mothersruin said:
If something is illegal, and someone does it, they're usually punished for it.

What was/is the punishment for this illegal act?
Murder is not illegal = no punishment for murder = it’s ok to murder.

Speed 3

4,483 posts

118 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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PM going for 12th Dec GE just breaking

Davislove

2,295 posts

245 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Speed 3 said:
PM going for 12th Dec GE just breaking
Do or Die 31st Oct!!!! We were promised....I’ve had it with the torries now.

How can he do this to us!

Vanden Saab

13,889 posts

73 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
So, would not complying with the Benn Act be illegal or unlawful?

scratchchin
Illegal as it is written law. Interestingly prorouging Parliament for 5 weeks is still not illegal as the supreme Court made it clear that it was the particular circumstances of the timing that made it unlawful in this case.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Speed 3 said:
PM going for 12th Dec GE just breaking
Please God the poxy brexit adverts will stop now.

Leithen

10,799 posts

266 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Boris said:
We would campaign day after day for the people of this country to be released from subjection to a Parliament that has outlived its usefulness.
Translation said:
These horrible MP's (who were voted to be in Parliament until 2022) won't agree with anything I do or say. Wibble.

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Illegal is where there is written law stating you cannot do it (statute) whereas unlawful is a decision taken by a court where there is no written law making it illegal. AIUI.
May be one of our resident barristers could explain it better.
I should hope they could.


Vanden Saab

13,889 posts

73 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Speed 3 said:
PM going for 12th Dec GE just breaking
Please God the poxy brexit adverts will stop now.
Interesting timing. Hey eu if you are thinking of giving us an extension we are going to waste it by having another election....

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Davislove said:
Speed 3 said:
PM going for 12th Dec GE just breaking
Do or Die 31st Oct!!!! We were promised....I’ve had it with the torries now.

How can he do this to us!
Am I due a giant whoosh or are you actually serious? confused

psi310398

9,036 posts

202 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Interesting timing. Hey eu if you are thinking of giving us an extension we are going to waste it by having another election....
I'd imagine that this is exactly the message the PM wants to send...

pequod

8,950 posts

137 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Interesting timing. Hey eu if you are thinking of giving us an extension we are going to waste it by having another election....
Tactical? This was Cummin, don't you think?

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