Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

[andymadmak]

bhstewie said:

Dont like rolls said:

Because the lies and misinformation pumped out by Momentum/Labour/LibDems is huge ?

For example, the LibDems and their misleading "charts" on published and delivered leaflets ?

Why does it always come down to "but someone else does it too".

They're as bad as one another but being the Government should probably count for something.

I don't get what's so hard about saying "Yeah not a good idea, what on earth were they thinking?".

Well, a few of points spring to mind.

1. It's not the Government - it's Conservative Party HQ is it not?
2. Labour and/or the Lib Dems could be forming a Government in the future, so in your world do the rules (whatever they are) only apply once a party has achieved Government? Labour and the Lib Dems can do and say anything they want to?
3. Why was it such a bad idea? It was on their Twitter feed, ( I am told - correct me if I am wrong) It was only labelled as such during the hour of the debate (again I have read this) so anybody seeing it could not possibly have been taken in by it unless they were rather stupid.
4. Did they 'fact check' anything incorrectly during that time? Because if they didn't then it sounds rather like the 'outrage' is somewhat confected

[Stussy]

TTwiggy said:

I imagine this is all part of Cummings' apparent 'genius'. They will have known that they would be called on it, and then have to face media 'scrutiny' over it, which in turn becomes further opportunity to call Corbyn a liar over the NHS.

No doubt the number of people now following the account has risen a lot too

[bitchstewie]

Stussy said:

All it does is back up the statement of don’t believe everything you read online

I heard someone in advertising say recently that if they made claims about cat food and washing powder in the same way that politicians and political parties do, they would be closed down and out of business by lunchtime.

Whatever the rules and regulations are they seem hopelessly inadequate for the modern world.

[kev1974]

twitter themselves moaning now but why don't they simply take away the blue "verified account" tick if someone changes anything about their account/profile including changing their display name or username. Make them go through verification again to get the blue tick back. Or make it a red tick with some text "this profile has changed in the last 60 days" appearing.

Ebay learnt this lesson and introduced a "this account has been renamed in the last 90 days" or similar flag years ago, why is twitter having to relearn the same lessons?

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

deadslow said:

I read in the media that the change was in place only during the debate? Is that not the case?

You must be taking the piss?

[bitchstewie]

andymadmak said:

Well, a few of points spring to mind.

1. It's not the Government - it's Conservative Party HQ is it not?
2. Labour and/or the Lib Dems could be forming a Government in the future, so in your world do the rules (whatever they are) only apply once a party has achieved Government? Labour and the Lib Dems can do and say anything they want to?
3. Why was it such a bad idea? It was on their Twitter feed, ( I am told - correct me if I am wrong) It was only labelled as such during the hour of the debate (again I have read this) so anybody seeing it could not possibly have been taken in by it unless they were rather stupid.
4. Did they 'fact check' anything incorrectly during that time? Because if they didn't then it sounds rather like the 'outrage' is somewhat confected

Why do you use words like "outrage" when I haven't said it's outrageous?

I've said it's not something a Government should be doing given it was done solely to deceive and lend legitimacy to make political claims appear more real than they otherwise might.

And I don't believe any party should be able to lie and distort to the extent that they do.

Of course CCHQ are nothing to do with the Government they act entirely autonomously.

I literally don't get why people are defending it.

[deadslow]

bhstewie said:

Stussy said:

All it does is back up the statement of don’t believe everything you read online

I heard someone in advertising say recently that if they made claims about cat food and washing powder in the same way that politicians and political parties do, they would be closed down and out of business by lunchtime.

Whatever the rules and regulations are they seem hopelessly inadequate for the modern world.

its just terribly sad that no-one (on here, anyway) expects any better (the end justifies the means, so long as you think you're winning)

[andymadmak]

El stovey said:

andymadmak said:

deadslow said:

I read in the media that the change was in place only during the debate? Is that not the case?

You must be taking the piss?

Not at all. I'm not on Twitter and I read about the fact check thing this morning

[turbobloke]

deadslow said:

bhstewie said:

Stussy said:

All it does is back up the statement of don’t believe everything you read online

I heard someone in advertising say recently that if they made claims about cat food and washing powder in the same way that politicians and political parties do, they would be closed down and out of business by lunchtime.

Whatever the rules and regulations are they seem hopelessly inadequate for the modern world.

its just terribly sad that no-one (on here, anyway) expects any better (the end justifies the means, so long as you think you're winning)

There's a difference between not expecting better and not wanting better (but not getting it).

[turbobloke]

andymadmak said:

El stovey said:

andymadmak said:

deadslow said:

I read in the media that the change was in place only during the debate? Is that not the case?

You must be taking the piss?

Not at all. I'm not on Twitter and I read about the fact check thing this morning

Likewise. Not on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat...bliss.

[andymadmak]

bhstewie said:

Why do you use words like "outrage" when I haven't said it's outrageous?
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So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

Edited to add: I note that you also neatly avoided the questions...

[TTwiggy]

andymadmak said:

So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

if Momentum had done it this site would be beyond outraged.

[turbobloke]

andymadmak said:

bhstewie said:

Why do you use words like "outrage" when I haven't said it's outrageous?
.

So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

I got the same impression as you, not from a particular post reflecting outrage but from the constant repetition.

[andymadmak]

TTwiggy said:

andymadmak said:

So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

if Momentum had done it this site would be beyond outraged.

I doubt it. Really I do. Who follows Momentums Twitter feed anyway, other than those already committed to the cause? If you (generic you, not you personally) don't notice the feed changing its name, if you don't see the clear references to who it really is, then I'm not sure that I'm going to be swayed by your view either way.

[bitchstewie]

andymadmak said:

bhstewie said:

Why do you use words like "outrage" when I haven't said it's outrageous?
.

So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

Because it's been a big talking point on various news outlets today.

Sorry, I really should stick to official PistonHeads policy.

Vote for Boris.

Let's get Brexit done.

[Vanden Saab]

TTwiggy said:

chrispmartha said:

So why did they need to change their Twitter profile to do this? And what facts did they check?

I imagine this is all part of Cummings' apparent 'genius'. They will have known that they would be called on it, and then have to face media 'scrutiny' over it, which in turn becomes further opportunity to call Corbyn a liar over the NHS.

Just another big red bus in case the debate did not go as well as it did for Boris but with the advantage of making people less likely to take what is said on twitter ( a platform used more by younger people) at face value. By election day no one will think 'I am not going to vote tory because of that factcheck stunt' That certain people fall for it time and time again, spending all day here moaning about it instead of on the actual things that matter, is just an added bonus for those looking on...

[anonymous-user]

andymadmak said:

So why are you going on and on about it? Perhaps outrage is a little strong - but really.... I simply don't see what all the fuss is about.

Edited to add: I note that you also neatly avoided the questions...

You don’t see anything wrong with the party that’s in government changing their Twitter is to make them look like a fact checking site?

I suppose you were happy with the conservatives dodgy editing of videos a few days ago too?

[andymadmak]

bhstewie said:

Because it's been a big talking point on various news outlets today.

Chicken and egg? People seem to want to make a fuss about it because it legitimises their refusal to accept facts? I dunno

bhstewie said:

Sorry, I really should stick to official PistonHeads policy.

Vote for Boris.

Let's get Brexit done.

Silly response. That's actually beneath you. By all means argue passionately for what you believe, - after all you choose to be on PH, nobody forces you

[bitchstewie]

andymadmak said:

Silly response. That's actually beneath you. By all means argue passionately for what you believe, - after all you choose to be on PH, nobody forces you

No more silly than asking someone why they're going on about something when two posts later saying they should argue for what they believe.

Like someone said above, Corbyn did this and it would get an entirely different reaction and rightly so.

That reaction shouldn't change just because it's Boris doing it yet for some reason it does.

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

Let's get Brexit done.

Surely you want to get Boris done