Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)
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andymadmak said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:andymadmak said:
Thanks. First time I have seen it. First impressions? The Conservative 'edit' simply highlights very concisely the reality of Starmers position. Granted, he did not pause and look answerless in the unedited video, but the bottom line is that whilst he actually continued to make noises, he didn't actually have answers to the questions - which is sort of the point of the edit.
Come again?Blimey.
TTwiggy said:
andymadmak said:
Certainly - although I find it interesting that you conflate Labour support with being Pro EU. The polls don't necessarily support you on that. (or that Tory = Brexit for that matter)
I did that for brevity, but you are correct of course. Thank you for your considered responses to everything else - I guess we're in 'agree to disagree' territory.
amusingduck said:
Practically a meltdown, that's how you remember it?! We posted in that thread at about the same time, and my recollection of it was that the vast majority were pretty apathetic.
A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
You're right to be fair, reading it back there were more people saying it was a fuss about nothing with the usual suspects doing the usual suspect thing.A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A Mojito.. oh the humanity!!
andymadmak said:
In the context as I understand it to be, No. My understanding is that CCHQ changed its own Twitter feed name during the debate and then swapped it back afterwards.
So who will have read this feed? A few hundred? Maybe a couple of thousand? And of those thousands how many would not have immediately spotted that it was CCHQ pulling a stunt? 10%? 20%? And what profile would the followers have been anyway? Floating voters? Tory faithful? Opposition looking for stuff to use? And what is the distribution of these people across the country? More pertinently, was anything that was 'fact checked' during that hour actually fact checked wrongly?
When you boil it down, hardly anyone would been influenced and the impact on the election is non existent.
The main thing your analysis shows is that you were being honest when you said you don't use twitter.So who will have read this feed? A few hundred? Maybe a couple of thousand? And of those thousands how many would not have immediately spotted that it was CCHQ pulling a stunt? 10%? 20%? And what profile would the followers have been anyway? Floating voters? Tory faithful? Opposition looking for stuff to use? And what is the distribution of these people across the country? More pertinently, was anything that was 'fact checked' during that hour actually fact checked wrongly?
When you boil it down, hardly anyone would been influenced and the impact on the election is non existent.
Twitter doesn't just show you the content of who you follow, and if a # or @ starts to trend then you are much more likely to see it.
The reason this account changed it's name is because they were trying to game the system by appearing to be something they are not. I expect 'they' knew that other, honest, fact checking services trend during debates (and campaigns generally you would think) and were trying to get in on the action.
It is dishonest, it is designed to be dishonest. To suggest otherwise is to argue black is white. We shouldn't be giving these kind of tactics the OK, from anyone at all.
I agree that if Labour, or the LDs, had done this there would be outrage on here.
People should be outraged at this - it is another step towards the situation in the US where everything you disagree with is fake news and here is my alternative propaganda to show it.
chrispmartha said:
Dont like rolls said:
El stovey said:
You don’t see anything wrong with the party that’s in government changing their Twitter is to make them look like a fact checking site?
I suppose you were happy with the conservatives dodgy editing of videos a few days ago too?
No, because that is NOT what happened.I suppose you were happy with the conservatives dodgy editing of videos a few days ago too?
"Dodgy editing of videos", oh you total Melt !
And dodgy editing of Videos, that happened also
oyster said:
The Tories have to be very careful.
Right now they are seen as the more untrustworthy party - which is really quite unusual for them to be seen as that in a historical context.
If the election campaign moves heavily towards trust/truth in the next few weeks, they might be in trouble with stunts like this.
Exactly this. It doesn't matter how many people saw it or if it was within election rules, it just reinforces the growing perception of the untrustworthy Tories. Right now they are seen as the more untrustworthy party - which is really quite unusual for them to be seen as that in a historical context.
If the election campaign moves heavily towards trust/truth in the next few weeks, they might be in trouble with stunts like this.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
Practically a meltdown, that's how you remember it?! We posted in that thread at about the same time, and my recollection of it was that the vast majority were pretty apathetic.
A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
You're right to be fair, reading it back there were more people saying it was a fuss about nothing with the usual suspects doing the usual suspect thing.A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A Mojito.. oh the humanity!!
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
Practically a meltdown, that's how you remember it?! We posted in that thread at about the same time, and my recollection of it was that the vast majority were pretty apathetic.
A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
You're right to be fair, reading it back there were more people saying it was a fuss about nothing with the usual suspects doing the usual suspect thing.A quick scan of the thread seems to corroborate -
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A Mojito.. oh the humanity!!
The damage that Brexit and the likes of Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and Nigel Farage have done to UK political discourse ought to concern any person, right or left, who possesses any fair mindedness and cares about the national interest. But look at this place: those on the side which won in 2016 and which is likely to win in 2019 cannot stop themselves from turning everything into a partisan issue. Some of them cannot stop from playground gloating and shouts of "you lost, get over it". In these ways they are tracking the GOP in the USA. That is not a great path to be on.
Breadvan72 said:
The damage that Brexit and the likes of Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and Nigel Farage have done to UK political discourse ought to concern any person, right or left, who possesses any fair mindedness and cares about the national interest. But look at this place: those on the side which won in 2016 and which is likely to win in 2019 cannot stop themselves from turning everything into a partisan issue. Some of them cannot stop from playground gloating and shouts of "you lost, get over it". In these ways they are tracking the GOP in the USA. That is not a great path to be on.
The way we were forced into the union did the damage, it had to come to a head at some point.TheRealNoNeedy said:
The way we were forced into the union did the damage, it had to come to a head at some point.
But you’ve got your brexit, Boris is PM you should all be deliriously happy. Why are you all on here criticising the opposition still and the EU and slavishly defending Boris and getting upset at anyone who suggests it’s not all going awesomely.You’re the the most miserable winners ever. God knows what you’d be like if you lost the referendum or labour got in again.
Maybe you’re still grumpy about life because the EU and lefties weren’t actually the source of your problems.
TTwiggy said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
The way we were forced into the union did the damage, it had to come to a head at some point.
Would that be forced as in 'begging cap in hand as the sick man of Europe'?Denis Healey as a Labour Chancellor went cap in hand to the IMF not the EEC/EU.
The sick man of europe tag arose after the strife of the 60s and 70s via Wilson / Callaghan Labour governments.
Spot the lowest common denominator. There was no need for the EEC / EU to sort it, not voting Labour would (and did) do nicely.
Breadvan72 said:
The damage that Brexit and the likes of Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and Nigel Farage have done to UK political discourse ought to concern any person, right or left, who possesses any fair mindedness and cares about the national interest. But look at this place: those on the side which won in 2016 and which is likely to win in 2019 cannot stop themselves from turning everything into a partisan issue. Some of them cannot stop from playground gloating and shouts of "you lost, get over it". In these ways they are tracking the GOP in the USA. That is not a great path to be on.
I don’t usually bother posting on the NP&E forum due to the bickering that goes on, but I agree with what you said.14 said:
Breadvan72 said:
The damage that Brexit and the likes of Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, and Nigel Farage have done to UK political discourse ought to concern any person, right or left, who possesses any fair mindedness and cares about the national interest. But look at this place: those on the side which won in 2016 and which is likely to win in 2019 cannot stop themselves from turning everything into a partisan issue. Some of them cannot stop from playground gloating and shouts of "you lost, get over it". In these ways they are tracking the GOP in the USA. That is not a great path to be on.
I don’t usually bother posting on the NP&E forum due to the bickering that goes on, but I agree with what you said.For playground gloating of Leave, if it must be so described, add playground whining of Remain (likewise).
For the likes of Farage and Trump, thank failed left liberalism which then smears and slurs rather than learning that left liberals don't know what's best for other people and as a result might like to stop preaching in a condescending manner.
As to Boris Johnson PM, the thread title, he's not Farage or Trump regardless of what unsolicited comments from Farage or Trump may say about him
chrispmartha said:
Dont like rolls said:
El stovey said:
You don’t see anything wrong with the party that’s in government changing their Twitter is to make them look like a fact checking site?
I suppose you were happy with the conservatives dodgy editing of videos a few days ago too?
No, because that is NOT what happened.I suppose you were happy with the conservatives dodgy editing of videos a few days ago too?
"Dodgy editing of videos", oh you total Melt !
And dodgy editing of Videos, that happened also
A funny Obviously made to parody Starmer
As said, you are either a Melt or you are getting you knickers in a twist for effect.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Wednesday 20th November 16:10
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