The end of the Union, who'll go first?
Poll: The end of the Union, who'll go first?
Total Members Polled: 247
Discussion
slow_poke said:
Why do you suspect that? I suspect the opposite - Scotland would be fast-tracked back into the EU, to isolate and ring-fence England/Wales outside it.
It matters not a jot whether Scotland is fast tracked into the EU. The point is that both NI and Scotland are recipients of huge subsidies as integral parts of the UK. The choices facing both are, can Dublin afford to replace NI's current benefits - I don't think so and will Scotland be able to gain similar support as it currently receives. So both countries will have to go on a borrowing binge, or inflict savage cuts on their populations. It is laughable to believe the EU will make a long term commitment to make up the shortfall - see Germans complaining about money be given to the mediteranean countries.Borghetto said:
It matters not a jot whether Scotland is fast tracked into the EU. The point is that both NI and Scotland are recipients of huge subsidies as integral parts of the UK. The choices facing both are, can Dublin afford to replace NI's current benefits - I don't think so and will Scotland be able to gain similar support as it currently receives. So both countries will have to go on a borrowing binge, or inflict savage cuts on their populations. It is laughable to believe the EU will make a long term commitment to make up the shortfall - see Germans complaining about money be given to the mediteranean countries.
You hit that nail right on the head...the SNP only want in the EU for the money they know fine well our economy can't pay its way.Borghetto said:
slow_poke said:
Why do you suspect that? I suspect the opposite - Scotland would be fast-tracked back into the EU, to isolate and ring-fence England/Wales outside it.
It matters not a jot whether Scotland is fast tracked into the EU. The point is that both NI and Scotland are recipients of huge subsidies as integral parts of the UK. The choices facing both are, can Dublin afford to replace NI's current benefits - I don't think so and will Scotland be able to gain similar support as it currently receives. So both countries will have to go on a borrowing binge, or inflict savage cuts on their populations. It is laughable to believe the EU will make a long term commitment to make up the shortfall - see Germans complaining about money be given to the mediteranean countries.That doesn't mean there's no appetite in RoI not to take it on and reform it. If the people off NI express a clear wish in a referendum to depart the UK and join the Roi, no Govt in Dublin would dare refuse them. They'd be turfed out of power at the next opportunity. (Watch out for Dublin hitting London up for "transition payments" to ease the change in ownership.....)
Klippie said:
Borghetto said:
It matters not a jot whether Scotland is fast tracked into the EU. The point is that both NI and Scotland are recipients of huge subsidies as integral parts of the UK. The choices facing both are, can Dublin afford to replace NI's current benefits - I don't think so and will Scotland be able to gain similar support as it currently receives. So both countries will have to go on a borrowing binge, or inflict savage cuts on their populations. It is laughable to believe the EU will make a long term commitment to make up the shortfall - see Germans complaining about money be given to the mediteranean countries.
You hit that nail right on the head...the SNP only want in the EU for the money they know fine well our economy can't pay its way.What prevents Scotland from standing on its own two feet? Too busy posting on social media for instance.
Nickgnome said:
What a strange thing to say. Truly defeatist attitude.
What prevents Scotland from standing on its own two feet? Too busy posting on social media for instance.
I'll answer your second question first. Look at my post count over 10 years and compare it to your's over 3 years.What prevents Scotland from standing on its own two feet? Too busy posting on social media for instance.
Nothing is stopping Scotland from standing on its own two feet, except a majority of Scots voted to remain within the union. Are you questioning the size of the subsidy being received north of the border and if not, how do you think the loss of this subsidy will be made up?
Are you Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon?
Earthdweller said:
85Carrera said:
grumbledoak said:
I don't see them taking their hand out of our pocket any time soon.
This. If there is to be another referendum we should get to vote on whether we want to keep on subsidising them. Why should they alone make the decision?
If the whole of the UK got to vote, I suspect most of us would be glad to be shot of the Scots and their whining.
They’d be ooot before they could get their coat
Borghetto said:
I'll answer your second question first. Look at my post count over 10 years and compare it to your's over 3 years.
Nothing is stopping Scotland from standing on its own two feet, except a majority of Scots voted to remain within the union. Are you questioning the size of the subsidy being received north of the border and if not, how do you think the loss of this subsidy will be made up?
Are you Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon?
Not at all. We were talking economics. Nothing is stopping Scotland from standing on its own two feet, except a majority of Scots voted to remain within the union. Are you questioning the size of the subsidy being received north of the border and if not, how do you think the loss of this subsidy will be made up?
Are you Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon?
I am content with areas which are very profitable investing in other areas to help rebalance and hopefully those other areas will eventually become self sufficient economically.
My point was criticising the negativity of the poster, not whether Scotland should be independent or not. I consider that to be an issue for Scotland.
You profile states SE, not Scotland.
Halb said:
So....Scotland then.
Yep Jimmy Krankie off on one again...https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/nicola-sturgeon-...
Halb said:
So....Scotland then.
Nope. You should have been listening to Andrew Marr on the Beeb this morning. He has called it correctly that this makes an independence referendum re-run unlikely and a win even less likely.Sturgeon was campaigning on a false prospectus of Scotland acceding to membership of the EU and 'remaining' part of it (in truth this was never an option, but the SNP have been lying about it ever since the 2014 White Paper and Salmond going TV talking about his non-existent 'legal advice').
In exactly 49 days her ability to maintain that pretence disappears, and as Marr put it she will be trying to sell the prospect of a 'double-out' to the Scottish voters - out of the European Union AND out of the union of the United Kingdom - and she will have to come clean about the conditions Scotland will have to meet to re-apply to become an EU member state.
Final note - SNP's vote share in Scotland was 45% - exactly the vote share 'Yes' got in the 2014 indyref, so 5 years of campaigning and 'material change' has shifted the Scottish electorate not one iota, and that is before you take into account Nicola's acknowledgement that this time round 'not every vote for the SNP was a vote for independence'.
Edited by Evercross on Friday 13th December 10:26
I don’t think the SNP want a referendum, they’ve seen the polls, it’s not popular. They don’t get votes just because they’re about independence. It’s because they’re not labour.
The best thing boris could do would be to call their bluff and give the SNP a referendum, in the summer, which they would lose.
It would strengthen the whole of the U.K. and we could all move forwards together post brexit. Otherwise the SNP will continue to paint him as stopping the will of the (Scottish) people, without the SNP having to prove what the will of the people actually is.
The best thing boris could do would be to call their bluff and give the SNP a referendum, in the summer, which they would lose.
It would strengthen the whole of the U.K. and we could all move forwards together post brexit. Otherwise the SNP will continue to paint him as stopping the will of the (Scottish) people, without the SNP having to prove what the will of the people actually is.
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