Vegan Snowflakes

[Pan Pan Pan]

vdn said:

Meat consumption is under the magnifying glass because of health issues in the west, the envrio’ costs and also, of course, animal welfare / ethical issues.

It’s amazing that in the last two years; plant based / biased food has taken off so much.

As for the Greggs story. She ordered a vegan sausage roll and received an animal sausage roll; I can see why she’d be pissed off. Just as anyone ordering anything, and receiving the wrong thing might be upset; add in her obvious ethical stance.

Do you know for a fact that she ordered a vegan sausage roll, or did she point to a sausage roll
and ask for it?
Even if she did ask for a vegan sausage roll, but pointed to a standard sausage roll she might have just as easily be served with what she pointed at.
Unless there was a record of the transaction, no one can say who was to blame in this particular incident. Most people going into a Greggs would expect to be served with the meat based version.

[vdn]

TheAngryDog said:

vdn said:

Meat consumption is under the magnifying glass because of health issues in the west, the envrio’ costs and also, of course, animal welfare / ethical issues.

It’s amazing that in the last two years; plant based / biased food has taken off so much.

As for the Greggs story. She ordered a vegan sausage roll and received an animal sausage roll; I can see why she’d be pissed off. Just as anyone ordering anything, and receiving the wrong thing might be upset; add in her obvious ethical stance.

That is fine as long as she asked for a vegan sausage roll. What if she didn't and wanted this publicity?

Well then; it’s triggered a few PH’ers. Job done I’d say.

Why?

[mitzy]

Snowflake

No doubt a genuine mistake

She needs to get a grip and move on

[Hoofy]

Vanden Saab said:

You are assuming that all vegans do not eat meat for ethical reasons which is far from the case.

All vegans do not eat meat for ethical reason. Others who eat a plant-based diet are not technically vegan.

Otherwise, I'm 70% vegan.

[vdn]

mitzy said:

Snowflake

No doubt a genuine mistake

She needs to get a grip and move on

Agreed. But it’s a mistake that shouldn’t be made... as stated the microbiome changes after just a few weeks of not eating animals - and so a sudden hit can be a shock to the system.

It’s worth pulling them up on it so it doesn’t happen more in future.

Snowflakes: people that complain; or people that complain that their are people complaining.

[FourWheelDrift]

Shouldn't be referred to as being a sausage if it does not contain meat. Then there will not be any mistakes.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Humans eating meat, is something that has developed over the hundreds of thousands of years that humans have been on the planet, and is therefore a natural process for humans.
It may be that humans can switch to a meat free diet (at least for those who want to) but to expect it to become the natural process for humans after just a few years, is stretching things a bit.
Each must make their own choice on this matter, without being brow beaten by either side of the eat meat/don't eat meat, side of the question.

[vdn]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Humans eating meat, is something that has developed over the hundreds of thousands of years that humans have been on the planet, and is therefore a natural process for humans.
It may be that humans can switch to a meat free diet (at least for those who want to) but to expect it to become the natural process for humans after just a few years, is stretching things a bit.
Each must make their own choice on this matter, without being brow beaten by either side of the eat meat/don't eat meat, side of the question.

I think that’s fair. But not really a comment on the OP.

[Pan Pan Pan]

vdn said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Humans eating meat, is something that has developed over the hundreds of thousands of years that humans have been on the planet, and is therefore a natural process for humans.
It may be that humans can switch to a meat free diet (at least for those who want to) but to expect it to become the natural process for humans after just a few years, is stretching things a bit.
Each must make their own choice on this matter, without being brow beaten by either side of the eat meat/don't eat meat, side of the question.

I think that’s fair. But not really a comment on the OP.

As stated in earlier posts, unless there was a record of exactly what was said, and what actually happened when the woman in question went into the Greggs, we will never know who made the `mistake' in this instance.
Because the majority of people at the moment are likely to be meat eaters, then the standard response when a person asks for a sausage roll, would be to provide them with a meat based version. It is therefore incumbent on a non meat eater, to do their best to ensure they receive a non meat based version.
I am only guessing, here but it might be quite easy for a non meat eating person to go into a Greggs and just ask for a sausage roll with the non meat version in `their' mind, whilst the server would most likely have a meat based version in `their' mind, because up until now, that is what Greggs have been mainly known for.

[vdn]

Pan Pan Pan said:

As stated in earlier posts, unless there was a record of exactly what was said, and what actually happened when the woman in question went into the Greggs, we will never know who made the `mistake' in this instance.
Because the majority of people at the moment are likely to be meat eaters, then the standard response when a person asks for a sausage roll, would be to provide them with a meat based version. It is therefore incumbent on a non meat eater, to do their best to ensure they receive a non meat based version.
I am only guessing, here but it might be quite easy for a non meat eating person to go into a Greggs and just ask for a sausage roll with the non meat version in `their' mind, whilst the server would most likely have a meat based version in `their' mind, because up until now, that is what Greggs have been mainly known for.

Guessing indeed.

But you’re right that if she asked for a sausage roll; and received one... then it’s a none story.

[Cotty]

Pan Pan Pan said:

If someone comes into a shop and asks them for a sausage roll, without making the distinction that it needs to be a non meat sausage roll, the most probable natural response, would be to serve them with a meat based sausage roll, then the mistake lies with the person who did not make it clear she required the vegetarian version. Unless there was a record of what was actually asked for, there isn't really any way that blame could be attached to either side in this incident.

Perhaps in the future they should remove the words sausage roll from something that does not contain sausage roll

[Vanden Saab]

Hoofy said:

Vanden Saab said:

You are assuming that all vegans do not eat meat for ethical reasons which is far from the case.

All vegans do not eat meat for ethical reason. Others who eat a plant-based diet are not technically vegan.

Otherwise, I'm 70% vegan.

Having been vegan for 20 years up until a few years ago I can 100% say that you are wrong. You need to look up the definition of vegan not what some groups want it to mean... On the subject of reintroducing meat into your diet the only noticeable difference in my case was a change in colour of my poo...

[vdn]

Vanden Saab said:

Hoofy said:

Vanden Saab said:

You are assuming that all vegans do not eat meat for ethical reasons which is far from the case.

All vegans do not eat meat for ethical reason. Others who eat a plant-based diet are not technically vegan.

Otherwise, I'm 70% vegan.

Having been vegan for 20 years up until a few years ago I can 100% say that you are wrong. You need to look up the definition of vegan not what some groups want it to mean... On the subject of reintroducing meat into your diet the only noticeable difference in my case was a change in colour of my poo...

A vegan diet is just one part of Veganism. A vegan diet, alone, doesn’t make someone vegan.

As for your poo; that’s your experience and anecdotal; never the less true, I’m sure. But the fact is that just a few weeks without animals in one’s gut leads to a different microbiome and reintroducing animals can be a shock to the system. It will vary in people, of course.

[Vanden Saab]

vdn said:

A vegan diet is just one part of Veganism. A vegan diet, alone, doesn’t make someone vegan.

As for your poo; that’s your experience and anecdotal; never the less true, I’m sure. But the fact is that just a few weeks without animals in one’s gut leads to a different microbiome and reintroducing animals can be a shock to the system. It will vary in people, of course.

vegan
/ˈviːɡ(ə)n/

noun
a person who does not eat or use animal products.
"I'm a strict vegan"

Or no shock or even discernable difference after 20 years... Let alone two...

[vdn]

Vanden Saab said:

vdn said:

A vegan diet is just one part of Veganism. A vegan diet, alone, doesn’t make someone vegan.

As for your poo; that’s your experience and anecdotal; never the less true, I’m sure. But the fact is that just a few weeks without animals in one’s gut leads to a different microbiome and reintroducing animals can be a shock to the system. It will vary in people, of course.

vegan
/?vi??(?)n/

noun
a person who does not eat or use animal products.
"I'm a strict vegan"

Or no shock or even discernable difference after 20 years... Let alone two...

Right; your post completely backs my points? Was that your intention? If so:



A vegan is someone who does not eat or use animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.

And you saw no difference when you ate meat; like I said: it can vary, and for many there is a difference.

So... that’s that I suppose.

Edited by vdn on Tuesday 22 October 14:35

[LordGrover]

vdn said:

A vegan diet is just one part of Veganism. A vegan diet, alone, doesn’t make someone vegan.

As for your poo; that’s your experience and anecdotal; never the less true, I’m sure. But the fact is that just a few weeks without animals in one’s gut leads to a different microbiome and reintroducing animals can be a shock to the system. It will vary in people, of course.

*cough* bks! *cough*

[Cotty]

vdn said:

A vegan is someone who eats or uses animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.

I must be vegan then as I love a steak

[Pan Pan Pan]

Cotty said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

If someone comes into a shop and asks them for a sausage roll, without making the distinction that it needs to be a non meat sausage roll, the most probable natural response, would be to serve them with a meat based sausage roll, then the mistake lies with the person who did not make it clear she required the vegetarian version. Unless there was a record of what was actually asked for, there isn't really any way that blame could be attached to either side in this incident.

Perhaps in the future they should remove the words sausage roll from something that does not contain sausage roll

That would be the way to go, If people don't want to eat meat, why should they have to eat a product that implies it is a meat product, Bearing in mind one can have a sausage dog, a sausage of filler, or be sausaged into a tube train, None of those describe something that would want to be eaten, but the word sausage is still used to describe them. .
Perhaps it should be called after exactly what it is, or what is in it, or be given a suitable trade name such a veggie roll, or vegan roll?.

[vdn]

LordGrover said:

vdn said:

A vegan diet is just one part of Veganism. A vegan diet, alone, doesn’t make someone vegan.

As for your poo; that’s your experience and anecdotal; never the less true, I’m sure. But the fact is that just a few weeks without animals in one’s gut leads to a different microbiome and reintroducing animals can be a shock to the system. It will vary in people, of course.

*cough* bks! *cough*

Evidence?

None.

Got it.

[vdn]

Cotty said:

vdn said:

A vegan is someone who eats or uses animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.

I must be vegan then as I love a steak

Thanks; edited.