How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[Robertj21a]

Digga said:

Tuna said:

Digga said:

Boris has an enormously robust mandate, both for government and for Brexit. It is a powerful situation to be bargaining from..

Indeed. Previously there was strong incentive for the EU to drag things out in the belief the UK would 'see sense' and the pro-Brexit government of the day would be replaced or neutralised. This election result significantly changes that position.

Of course, it's certainly possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and the last few years don't bode well for our ability to negotiate - but for the moment this removes some serious obstructions to good faith negotiation.

My hope is, perhaps, that we are now at a point (I had hoped we were already there) that the HoC can approach this as a matter of national interest, on a cross party basis, in order to best achieve a successful result.

I realise that does also require Remainers to now get on board or shut up.

The fact that so many Remainers must have eventually decided to vote for Boris suggests that they also just want to Get it Done. Let's hope that the GE has helped to create a spirit of greater co-operation.

[SpeckledJim]

Digga said:

Tuna said:

Digga said:

Boris has an enormously robust mandate, both for government and for Brexit. It is a powerful situation to be bargaining from..

Indeed. Previously there was strong incentive for the EU to drag things out in the belief the UK would 'see sense' and the pro-Brexit government of the day would be replaced or neutralised. This election result significantly changes that position.

Of course, it's certainly possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and the last few years don't bode well for our ability to negotiate - but for the moment this removes some serious obstructions to good faith negotiation.

My hope is, perhaps, that we are now at a point (I had hoped we were already there) that the HoC can approach this as a matter of national interest, on a cross party basis, in order to best achieve a successful result.

I realise that does also require Remainers to now get on board or shut up.

In theory at least, Remainers now make up a minority of the HOC, which is a big change from the last few years.

I wonder how long it will be before one of Boris's new cohort breaks ranks and outs themself as a secret Remainer. And what'll happen to them if they do.

[slow_poke]

I bet it'll be Boris himself who'll turn out to be a secret remainer. Now that he's got the numbers behind him, he can strike any kind of deal he likes with the EU.

[Dont like rolls]

Dear EU

NOW do you finally believe us ?

The Uk

[barryrs]

slow_poke said:

I bet it'll be Boris himself who'll turn out to be a secret remainer. Now that he's got the numbers behind him, he can strike any kind of deal he likes with the EU.

It’s possible but a shortsighted viewpoint surely.

I can’t see such an act being forgiven by huge swathes of the electorate.

[Gribs]

Robertj21a said:

The fact that so many Remainers must have eventually decided to vote for Boris suggests that they also just want to Get it Done. Let's hope that the GE has helped to create a spirit of greater co-operation.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

[SpeckledJim]

Gribs said:

Robertj21a said:

The fact that so many Remainers must have eventually decided to vote for Boris suggests that they also just want to Get it Done. Let's hope that the GE has helped to create a spirit of greater co-operation.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Evidence like a huge swing to Conservative in a recent general election, you mean?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

It was a general election not a brexit referendum.

It just happens that one party wanted to leave the EU asap and the other wanted to spend billions on crazy Marxist policies.

[Gribs]

SpeckledJim said:

Evidence like a huge swing to Conservative in a recent general election, you mean?

Based on very few (300k) extra votes over May. They targeted the leave demographic very well but ignored the other side.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

SpeckledJim said:

Evidence like a huge swing to Conservative in a recent general election, you mean?

What huge swing?

They only polled a little over 1% more than in 2017.

[Dont like rolls]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

What huge swing?

They only polled a little over 1% more than in 2017.

Which was more than ever before. It is called sustained steady growth, a concept Labour do not understand in either economics and it seems, getting votes.

[Gribs]

Dont like rolls said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

What huge swing?

They only polled a little over 1% more than in 2017.

Which was more than ever before. It is called sustained steady growth, a concept Labour do not understand in either economics and it seems, getting votes.

It's also significantly less than voted for brexit in the referendum.

[Digga]

Dont like rolls said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

What huge swing?

They only polled a little over 1% more than in 2017.

Which was more than ever before. It is called sustained steady growth, a concept Labour do not understand in either economics and it seems, getting votes.

They took seats off Labour that have not voted any other way for decades. One of them was not far off a whole fking century as Labour. To underestimate the change is, yet again, to be so far behind events as to be non-participant.

[Dont like rolls]

Gribs said:

It's also significantly less than voted for brexit in the referendum.

and ?

Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 13th December 13:06

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Digga said:

They took seats off Labour that have not voted any other way for decades. One of them was not far off a whole fking century as Labour. To underestimate the change is, yet again, to be so far behind events as to be non-participant.

Presumably you are attributing that to brexit.

It might be because of the current crazy policies of Labour which are not fit for the 21st century.

Most likely, it's a little of both.

[Robertj21a]

Gribs said:

Robertj21a said:

The fact that so many Remainers must have eventually decided to vote for Boris suggests that they also just want to Get it Done. Let's hope that the GE has helped to create a spirit of greater co-operation.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

No, just a bit of common sense based on the numbers. Do you have any evidence to refute it ?

Where do you think the 48% went with their votes ?

[fatboy18]

Just popped back to see if anything is happening?.......Carry on

[Stay in Bed Instead]

fatboy18 said:

Just popped back to see if anything is happening?.......Carry on

We will definitely have an EU FTA by 31/12/2020 do or die, dead in a ditch, etc ...

[Gribs]

Robertj21a said:

Gribs said:

Robertj21a said:

The fact that so many Remainers must have eventually decided to vote for Boris suggests that they also just want to Get it Done. Let's hope that the GE has helped to create a spirit of greater co-operation.

Do you have any evidence to back that up?

No, just a bit of common sense based on the numbers. Do you have any evidence to refute it ?

Where do you think the 48% went with their votes ?

From the numbers it appears they voted for the remain supporting parties and labour to a large degree, but a large amount just didn't vote, but to a smaller degree than people who voted for brexit at the referendum.

[lrdisco]

Any comments that it’s the will of the people not to leave the EU as over 51% of votes cast were for parties who opposed Brexit outright or wanted the deal put to the people in another referendum.

Does it now make sense to review FPTP as a party with 11.5% of the votes has only around 2% of seats.
Where is the representation of the people?
Or a party gets 3.9% of the votes but gets 48 seats?

Edited by lrdisco on Friday 13th December 13:43