How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Borghetto said:
Brooking10 said:
This really is utter nonsense.
Low rent jingoistic claptrap I'm afraid.
Of course it is old son - just read the posts. As to low rent, I think you are standing to close to your mirror.Low rent jingoistic claptrap I'm afraid.
I reckon we'll be here a while.
It's as stupid and inflammatory a suggestion as those being called out elsewhere.
Brooking10 said:
Ok squire - I await your examples of multiple people on this thread "hating their country" to back up your ridiculous assertion.
I reckon we'll be here a while.
It's as stupid and inflammatory a suggestion as those being called out elsewhere.
I don't especially want to waste my time discussing anything with a Wally like you.I reckon we'll be here a while.
It's as stupid and inflammatory a suggestion as those being called out elsewhere.
It seems it’s OK for the leaver clique to get excited about the EU being damaged or having arguments about filling in the missing budget gap when the UK leaves.
This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
Vanden Saab said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
I have thanks, and a few previous volumes too, what’s your point?
I can only take from your post that you think this kind of thing is acceptable so long as someone else said similar?
By all means go find and then quote things that are comparable in hate and ignorance by “brexiteers”, maybe post them up and stoke things a little more.
The thing is the matter of “brexit” and “remain” is over, we’ve left and yet here we are with posters raking up hate as some sort of justification of their bitter outlook.
This topic is meant to be about the negotiations, and since the end of January I’d say it now has much more relevance and should be more focused and interesting but we still have utter idiots posting hate, bile and other stupid trolling nonsense about “believing enough” etc.
The post I highlighted is simply the pinnacle of the posters continuous campaign of trolling, divisive hate mongering and deliberate baiting in order to disrupt a subject they clearly have no actual knowledge or interest in.
I do have an interest in it, I’m fascinated by people’s views and hopes.
I voted remain, I’m handing over my business to my son and we trade into the EU as well as the rest of the world, we have employees and clients to think about and I read opinions and views with interest.
Deepends contribution is frankly pathetic and offensive, magnified more so as we have actually left so his hate and bile is exposed further.
Back to the chat about the subject please........
I can only take from your post that you think this kind of thing is acceptable so long as someone else said similar?
By all means go find and then quote things that are comparable in hate and ignorance by “brexiteers”, maybe post them up and stoke things a little more.
The thing is the matter of “brexit” and “remain” is over, we’ve left and yet here we are with posters raking up hate as some sort of justification of their bitter outlook.
This topic is meant to be about the negotiations, and since the end of January I’d say it now has much more relevance and should be more focused and interesting but we still have utter idiots posting hate, bile and other stupid trolling nonsense about “believing enough” etc.
The post I highlighted is simply the pinnacle of the posters continuous campaign of trolling, divisive hate mongering and deliberate baiting in order to disrupt a subject they clearly have no actual knowledge or interest in.
I do have an interest in it, I’m fascinated by people’s views and hopes.
I voted remain, I’m handing over my business to my son and we trade into the EU as well as the rest of the world, we have employees and clients to think about and I read opinions and views with interest.
Deepends contribution is frankly pathetic and offensive, magnified more so as we have actually left so his hate and bile is exposed further.
Back to the chat about the subject please........
+ 1. Perhaps if the tiny minority of Remain voters that post so derisively, were to adopt this kind of attitude, their lives outside the EU would not be quite so lemon.
DeepEnd said:
It seems it’s OK for the leaver clique to get excited about the EU being damaged or having arguments about filling in the missing budget gap when the UK leaves.
This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
What's cringingly embarrassing is you making a complete tit of yourself continuously.This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
Google - eu budget discussions...and see whether EU budgets are an issue or not.
Nobody wants to see harm to the European member states. But many will have voted leave in part because they can see this happening and don't see it as healthy.
The EU political construct is likely different in terms of how people feel about it. But that's not a "little England" thing. This country may have had one of (NB only one of) the more negative views of the construct...but it is not alone.
Let's see what happens and let's see how readily the "no big issue" is resolved.
The small minded bitterness is yours.
The damage to the EU is being done BY the EU
The U.K. has by a democracy denied all across the EU voted to leave the Political construct, not Europe, but an imposed, not asked for, supra national layer of Governance
It is clear that throughout Europe there is a disconnect between the people and the project
In the UK that had manifested itself in Brexit
But the people aren’t happy with the way things are going and the way the elite are riding roughshod over them.
The EU has an answer to the problem .. that is more EU .. more centralisation.. more control
The people actually want less EU .. less centralisation and less control
It’s a conundrum.. and one which is like a slow train wreck .. it’s coming down the track, I don’t think the EU are in control and I don’t think they can stop it
At some point there’ll be an impact .. how big the wreck will be remains to be seen
I’m just glad the U.K. has turned off the track and hopefully can avoid the debris from the wreck
The U.K. has by a democracy denied all across the EU voted to leave the Political construct, not Europe, but an imposed, not asked for, supra national layer of Governance
It is clear that throughout Europe there is a disconnect between the people and the project
In the UK that had manifested itself in Brexit
But the people aren’t happy with the way things are going and the way the elite are riding roughshod over them.
The EU has an answer to the problem .. that is more EU .. more centralisation.. more control
The people actually want less EU .. less centralisation and less control
It’s a conundrum.. and one which is like a slow train wreck .. it’s coming down the track, I don’t think the EU are in control and I don’t think they can stop it
At some point there’ll be an impact .. how big the wreck will be remains to be seen
I’m just glad the U.K. has turned off the track and hopefully can avoid the debris from the wreck
Brooking10 said:
I'm a simple bloke and so my point is a simple one.
Being out-with the EU is, in my opinion, of practically zero use as a point of real-world mitigation in the event of a Euro currency collapse.
I absolutely agree with you that political intervention is going to be required to drive fiscal policy/stability and it has the potential to be on an unprecedented scale. My gut is that will be when countries really put themselves first and the EU second BUT the Euro will not vanish amidst a glorious return to Deutschmarks, Francs, Guilders, Lira et al. It's going to be a hell of balancing act. In some ways I'm glad that that the UK won't have to be at that table but nonetheless it really, really needs to keep a watchful eye on what the table ends up ordering because there are going to be ramifications.
Either way, the idea I believe I see suggested by some that we are storing up immunity in event of a crisis "because Brexit" is, once again in my opinion, fatuous.
In some cases depending on the correspondent such views come from varying positions of naivety, ignorance and indeed a touch, in some really dim quarters, of schadenfreude.
Oh, we are not immune. In or out everyone catches a cold. Our beliefs could be separated by a depth of a fiver. I see the response as the issue. They will put politic ahead. They should do a 2 speed Europe. - but how, no one has any fBeing out-with the EU is, in my opinion, of practically zero use as a point of real-world mitigation in the event of a Euro currency collapse.
I absolutely agree with you that political intervention is going to be required to drive fiscal policy/stability and it has the potential to be on an unprecedented scale. My gut is that will be when countries really put themselves first and the EU second BUT the Euro will not vanish amidst a glorious return to Deutschmarks, Francs, Guilders, Lira et al. It's going to be a hell of balancing act. In some ways I'm glad that that the UK won't have to be at that table but nonetheless it really, really needs to keep a watchful eye on what the table ends up ordering because there are going to be ramifications.
Either way, the idea I believe I see suggested by some that we are storing up immunity in event of a crisis "because Brexit" is, once again in my opinion, fatuous.
In some cases depending on the correspondent such views come from varying positions of naivety, ignorance and indeed a touch, in some really dim quarters, of schadenfreude.
Edited by Brooking10 on Saturday 22 February 19:59
king idea. The response will be bullst. That's the overarching problem. You also know that whatever the politicos decide, the real world corporate implementation and arbitrage is loads of unintended consequence. Maybe there are more bullets in the gun; but euro sentiment looks its worst since the Sov crisis.What is a highly complex issue, that is about economics, and resolved by economics is being warped by polarised loons on either side. What's particularly asinine is the complete denial that its:
Complex
Not about immigration
Not just about BREXIT
If we stick fingers in ears, we can all go "la la laaaa", unfortunately BREXIT is proving too many want to do just that. You must be reading the stuff from the G20, looking forward to tomorrow's summary.
Stongle said:
They should do a 2 speed Europe. - but how, no one has any fking idea.
Essentially that^^^^^, both parts of that statement.It's clear where they should go,but even if they did decide that was the way to go, big if there, then like the comedy directions you really don't want to start from here. Current position almost completely precludes even heading off in that direction, evening willing, which suspect it isn't.
However as said many times, wish them well, better off without UK being an unwilling member. Though can accept the point that UK has been a moderating influence between the sensible few and the rest. But we have to what's best for us even though that means compromises.
DeepEnd said:
It seems it’s OK for the leaver clique to get excited about the EU being damaged or having arguments about filling in the missing budget gap when the UK leaves.
This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
Good Post.This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
For some, 'leaving' the EU doesn't appear to be enough, they want to see the EU collapse in some way. Why on earth would you wish that on our close friends and largest trading partner? When the EU prospers, the UK will prosper as well. Were the Euro to somehow collapse, the UK would doubtless be economically shattered at the same time.
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
There is a difference.Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
“Surely the EU is totally kaput at that point!”
Is this just commentary or excited anticipation?
Could be either but it does come across as excited at times.
Which is fine if you want to do that, but also fine to comment on it, no?
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Borghetto said:
Unfortunately he has plenty of kindred spirits on this thread. They seem to hate their own Country - bloody disgraceful.
But it's okay to hate the EU.It's OK to believe it was no good for the UK, specifically, and to vote to leave but it's also fine to think it continues to be a poor servant to those member nations that remain.
This all without wishing ill on the people of those member nations. Sometimes, in this discussion, a few PHers seem to forget that distinction between people and their nations and that organisation, perhaps willingly.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 February 09:14
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
There is a difference.Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
“Surely the EU is totally kaput at that point!”
Is this just commentary or excited anticipation?
Could be either but it does come across as excited at times.
Which is fine if you want to do that, but also fine to comment on it, no?
"could be either" - yet as far as you're concerned it's only excitement. "Does come across" is very, very different from your absolute assertion previously.
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