How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Comprehension fail once again DE...Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Garvin said:
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU.
DeepEnd said:
Garvin said:
The difference is that you continually imply that posters hate the countries and their populations that comprise the EU when this is patently not the case. These posters have been clear that they do not agree with the governance the EU politicians have sought to impose on these individual countries.
Other posters, due to their cringingly embarrassing posts and making continual tits of themselves by taking quotes completely out of context to support their intellectually challenged and asinine claims, agree with you.
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU. I see dangers for the continuation of this construct without significant reform and the potential collateral fall out that the UK could suffer if the EU collapses. I fear that it has gone too far to turn back now and a car crash is inevitable - either by debt write off and, possibly, an enforced full federal United States of Europe approach as the only viable solutions remaining.
Other posters, due to their cringingly embarrassing posts and making continual tits of themselves by taking quotes completely out of context to support their intellectually challenged and asinine claims, agree with you.
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU. I see dangers for the continuation of this construct without significant reform and the potential collateral fall out that the UK could suffer if the EU collapses. I fear that it has gone too far to turn back now and a car crash is inevitable - either by debt write off and, possibly, an enforced full federal United States of Europe approach as the only viable solutions remaining.
There you go Sway.
Sway said:
I don't need to - by your own admission it requires interpretation to get to the claim you've made.
Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Still with the wife stuff? Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Have you now stopped equating Sabinsky’s eugenic beliefs about black people and immigration, to “just being like Cat 2 I invented about trying to cure specific diseases, i.e. basically sounds OK”.
Not the same is it?
Sway said:
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Comprehension fail once again DE...Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Garvin said:
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU.
It’s hilarious.
Only a massive zealot can’t see it.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
There are many here that would delight in the EU collapsing. Denying that is a tad silly.
I think you’re right, however some seem to want to make the leap that those wanting such a collapse also means they “want” actual countries and people to suffer too, if other countries do suffer then maybe, playing devils advocate, that exposes issues within the EU as opposed to here? I find that “suffering” assertion hard to believe. Most of the people I know who voted leave did so as they were very uncomfortable with what they felt was the direction the EU was taking, nothing to do with people or borders, just the EU as a machine.
Anecdote Warning.............
This reminded me of a time I caught a cab a few years ago from an airport in Italy to my hotel and the cab driver was chatting/ranting about the EU as we had already voted, he was very emotive and was desperate to leave, he came across as thinking the EU was a country he would go to war with to leave, almost like an occupation!!
At no point though did he mention any other specific country or blame any people, in fact I’d bet he couldn’t actually name any single person within the EU or his own representation, he was just obsessed with the EU and how he wanted it gone. It really stuck with me how he felt.
I strongly suspect that’s many millions in this country held the same, if a little less emotional, view and voted as such, not to harm countries or exclude other people but simply to remove themselves from the EU and probably why such a binary ballot question didn’t help the incumbent administration so it went the way it did.
I would edit to add that I have taken many many trips to Italy and fully understand how, ahem, “worked up” they can get on subjects but I’ve dealt with many levels of people and staff, my own staff have been over there and spoken at what you might call shop floor levels and I think, in my very humble opinion that if Italy was offered the vote then 48-52 would not be an issue, I’d be surprised at less than 75% leave.
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Comprehension fail once again DE...Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Garvin said:
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU.
It’s hilarious.
Only a massive zealot can’t see it.
Does that make me a zealot? No, you fool, it doesn’t, any more than me disliking the EU does.
166 MM Barchetta said:
I think you’re right, however some seem to want to make the leap that those wanting such a collapse also means they “want” actual countries and people to suffer too, if other countries do suffer then maybe, playing devils advocate, that exposes issues within the EU as opposed to here?
Those making that leap appear to be leavers accusing remainers of accusing leavers of it.DeepEnd said:
Helicopter123 said:
Sway said:
When did you stop beating your wife?
That's just a disgusting comment from a poster who should no better.Suggest you take this down ASAP and apologise.
Nice morals you guys have
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
I don't need to - by your own admission it requires interpretation to get to the claim you've made.
Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Still with the wife stuff? Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Have you now stopped equating Sabinsky’s eugenic beliefs about black people and immigration, to “just being like Cat 2 I invented about trying to cure specific diseases, i.e. basically sounds OK”.
Not the same is it?
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
Sway said:
Please quote "someone" wishing the EU to collapse...
Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Comprehension fail once again DE...Comprehension is difficult, we know, but there's a huge difference between pointing out their issues (in the same vein as the ECB and others within the EU have been doing) and wishing economic collapse on our continental neighbours.
Garvin said:
Personally, I despise the current political construct of the EU but wish no ill will to any individual country within the EU.
It’s hilarious.
Only a massive zealot can’t see it.
You claimed posters on here wished it would collapse and therefore cause significant economic harm to it's members. That's not true, is it?
Once again, you're inventing things you think posters have said/meant...
Mark of a zealot, that.
Sway said:
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
I don't need to - by your own admission it requires interpretation to get to the claim you've made.
Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Still with the wife stuff? Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...
When did you stop beating your wife?
Have you now stopped equating Sabinsky’s eugenic beliefs about black people and immigration, to “just being like Cat 2 I invented about trying to cure specific diseases, i.e. basically sounds OK”.
Not the same is it?
FiF said:
I must confess I am somewhat bemused by Brussellian logic here. In response to David Frost's speech together with the supportive comment from No10 around the Barnier staircase and Canada deal posted earlier in the thread, they have now released the slide below. It purports to show a x/y plot of sorts showing size of trade with a partner relative to geography and trade integration, however that is defined. Also please note the very carefully selected y axis value range, Lol.
So on the one hand they are saying trade with the UK is really really REALLY important, but on the other hand they are willing to risk that by imposing conditions significantly more onerous than any imposed on other trading partners. Dumb.
Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...So on the one hand they are saying trade with the UK is really really REALLY important, but on the other hand they are willing to risk that by imposing conditions significantly more onerous than any imposed on other trading partners. Dumb.
Helicopter123 said:
DeepEnd said:
It seems it’s OK for the leaver clique to get excited about the EU being damaged or having arguments about filling in the missing budget gap when the UK leaves.
This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
Good Post.This is obviously the true negativity. And it’s all the more pathetic when any sensible analysis shows that the funding is not a big issue. Fancy being so worked up and getting in a lather about such trivia?
All I’m doing is pointing out the continued negativity that surrounds these sentiments and triumphant dreams of some wanting, urging, the EUs demise and harm to our neighbours.
It’s cringingly embarrassing for the UK to see such sad gloating played out. How must it look? CB calls it as I’m sure many other onlookers do. European readers be assured many in the UK continue to be ashamed of this little Englander small minded bitterness.
As for saying some posters hate the country - that really does make you wonder what makes people type such a thing.
The fact is if you are getting triggered about being laughed at for gloating about the EU folding you are really the one with a bit of an issue.
And it is not something to be censored as many would like - it is important to point out that continued EU bashing is to be scorned, as is defending the AfD and various other unpleasant views that get aired here with worrying regularity.
For some, 'leaving' the EU doesn't appear to be enough, they want to see the EU collapse in some way. Why on earth would you wish that on our close friends and largest trading partner? When the EU prospers, the UK will prosper as well. Were the Euro to somehow collapse, the UK would doubtless be economically shattered at the same time.
Yet zero evidence for such assertions, and huge doses of interpretation and inventing quotes and meanings...
Amusing how the posters concerned throw their toys out the pram when the same 'debating' techniques are thrown their way! Poor poppets.
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