How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

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stongle

5,910 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Sway said:
What scenario do you think creates the appropriate answer being handing over the levers of our market competitvity to our largest competitors?
Competition may invariably bring about a better outcome for consumers.

It's a case by case discussion, some areas we may have to have barriers. In other areas - pragmatic solutions should be put in place (say physical transfer of goods).

What I dont see as appropriate is 2 areas of the ECs position:

1) cross cutting
2) they are not going to meet their own standards, why should we (see my earlier post). We should only meet their lowest EU member state equivalence. Why should we invest 100s of billions in green tech, if they are going to miss their commitments by a continent? Even if we did it on good faith, they are nit acting as though they will in the future (cos its herding cats)...

Piha

7,150 posts

91 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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DeepEnd said:
If leavers knew that “no deal” was the best thing they could actually deliver from our exit, perhaps they should just have been honest about it before pretending we’d get the moon on a stick before the vote.
Oh come on, you know better than that. How many people do you really think voted for leaving the EU in order to get a "better deal"? Most of them wanted independence, greater control over immigration or less interference.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Piha said:
Excellent.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Sway said:
Piha said:
Excellent.
Agricultural subsidies (and their inherent distortions) is one of the aspects that was deeply dysfunctional in the EU. It needs overhaul. Hopefully the reduction in Basic Payments may be offset by payments more suited to the UK's requirements.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
Sway said:
Brooking10 said:
Sway said:
The difficulty in the EU position is we're not asking for any of the benefits...

None of the four freedoms linked to full or associate membership. So quite what their basis for asking for "commitments" is, who knows.

There are quite a few things being demanded, that Johnson (or any other PM) should absolutely say "no, never".
You’ll disagree but I don’t think you are looking at this is a detached fashion.
What scenario do you think creates the appropriate answer being handing over the levers of our market competitvity to our largest competitors?
I currently can’t envisage one but that isn’t my point

I think observers on either side have gone long very early on what are basically opening salvoes and posturing.

I see this as being in an attempt, consciously or otherwise to say “see I told you they were bad” - they being which ever side one has greatest sympathy for.

Garvin called it with his boxing press conference comparison
EU you big old dossier. smile

Crackie

6,386 posts

241 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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DeepEnd said:
lol

Don’t you see the irony - literally pages here telling the EU to “go fck themselves”/tick tock/belt up/no deal, and yet you are surprised that some on the other side are saying the same.

Both approaches are not conducive to a good outcome.
Your lack of self awareness is legendary - your previous baiting rule Britannia comment and 4 years of similar contrary nonsense make you a hypocrite.

amgmcqueen

3,343 posts

149 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Piha said:
What's new?!

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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gooner1 said:
EU you big old dossier. smile
I’m sure it makes sense to you Goon smile

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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amgmcqueen said:
Piha said:
What's new?!
Apparently they missed the Autumn planting season owing to flooded fields and now are set to miss
the Spring planting season. Ouch!

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Crackie said:
Your lack of self awareness is legendary - your previous baiting rule Britannia comment and 4 years of similar contrary nonsense make you a hypocrite.
He's only been here 16 months.

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stongle

5,910 posts

161 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
He's only been here 16 months.

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And what a 16 months they have been...

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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stongle said:
And what a 16 months they have been...
A laugh a minute.

laugh

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
I’m sure it makes sense to you Goon smile
Correct trig.

Much like you and the EU's confrontational stance.biggrin

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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gooner1 said:
Correct trig.

Much like you and the EU's confrontational stance.biggrin
You’d need to be a numbskull to have read that post as any kind of endorsement ........


gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
gooner1 said:
Correct trig.

Much like you and the EU's confrontational stance.biggrin
You’d need to be a numbskull to have read that post as any kind of endorsement ........
But I wasn't commenting on a specific post.......

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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gooner1 said:
Brooking10 said:
gooner1 said:
Correct trig.

Much like you and the EU's confrontational stance.biggrin
You’d need to be a numbskull to have read that post as any kind of endorsement ........
But I wasn't commenting on a specific post.......
Irrespective of that I think you seem to be confusing understanding the adoption of a certain position with endorsing it.


Crackie

6,386 posts

241 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Crackie said:
Your lack of self awareness is legendary - your previous baiting rule Britannia comment and 4 years of similar contrary nonsense make you a hypocrite.
He's only been here 16 months.

biggrin
Slasher / Slap / DeepEnd has been around as long as you PM.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Brooking10 said:
I think that irrespective of one’s assessment of the benefits or otherwise of EU membership and the attendant cost the base logic of “you can’t have the benefits without the commitment” is hard to argue against.

This therefore does put the EU in something of a difficult position.

But ....

To drive that through to a sense of “ punishment” and to over index on exclusion would be very foolish.

I hope they don’t get to that position - that would be a political conclusion to a commercial problem

Similarly I hope that UK.gov doesn’t take a position where Boris says “no, never” on certain matters because he fears pressure from within the party ranks, never mind the electorate - that too would be a political conclusion to a commercial problem
whilst i generally agree with what you say,do you really mean there can be absolutely no red lines ?

Murph7355

37,649 posts

255 months

Wednesday 26th February 2020
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Piha said:
All farmers?

Or just the bigger ones that get the most?

I live rurally and the farmers I know aren't huge believers in the current subsidy system. Quite the opposite.
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