How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

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Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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chrispmartha said:
It doesn't matter, the just 'Get Brexit Done' and 'Clean Brexit' (that phrase always makes me chuckle) people do not care a jot whether there is a border or not.
True.

Pre referendum, the NI border issue was only considered by those living there, which hasn't changed since.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
chrispmartha said:
It doesn't matter, the just 'Get Brexit Done' and 'Clean Brexit' (that phrase always makes me chuckle) people do not care a jot whether there is a border or not.
True.

Pre referendum, the NI border issue was only considered by those living there, which hasn't changed since.
Well as neither of you reside in NI, that would include yourselves.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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gooner1 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
chrispmartha said:
It doesn't matter, the just 'Get Brexit Done' and 'Clean Brexit' (that phrase always makes me chuckle) people do not care a jot whether there is a border or not.
True.

Pre referendum, the NI border issue was only considered by those living there, which hasn't changed since.
Well as neither of you reside in NI, that would include yourselves.
As I voted to remain and not change anything with regards to the NI Border why should I have considered it, other than thinking what we have works quite well.

It was those that wanted to change things that has the responsibility of stating what those changes will mean.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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As I said a couple of months ago, declarations aren't checks.

SPS checks have been in place for years, so they're nothing new.

Only thing that's noticeable is product regs checks - which are virtually completely self certified, and subject to a tiny percentage of actual conformity checks, usually at premises.

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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chrispmartha said:
As I voted to remain and not change anything with regards to the NI Border why should I have considered it, other than thinking what we have works quite well.

It was those that wanted to change things that has the responsibility of stating what those changes will mean.
You didn't vote pre referendum.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Margaret Thatcher 40 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLVeAQvzn8

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Mrr T said:
bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.
How much of regulatory conformity checks do you think occur at or near a border?

turbobloke

103,739 posts

259 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
Is, not could/might/may be?

That must be the first economic modelling to come with a cast iron guarantee.

Was the model guesswork bad for NI short-term, medium-term, long-term, or all three?

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Sway said:
Mrr T said:
bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.
How much of regulatory conformity checks do you think occur at or near a border?
Did I refer to the check being carried out at the border?

No I just said checks will be required for goods moving between 2 parts of the same country. Some thing BJ said would not happen.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Mrr T said:
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.
How much of regulatory conformity checks do you think occur at or near a border?
Did I refer to the check being carried out at the border?

No I just said checks will be required for goods moving between 2 parts of the same country. Some thing BJ said would not happen.
You did indeed refer to location.

"likely to be close to any border".

Still going to pretend you haven't?

Need to improve your Google skills. At the moment you just make it too easy to point out your ignorance.

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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chrispmartha said:
gooner1 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
chrispmartha said:
It doesn't matter, the just 'Get Brexit Done' and 'Clean Brexit' (that phrase always makes me chuckle) people do not care a jot whether there is a border or not.
True.

Pre referendum, the NI border issue was only considered by those living there, which hasn't changed since.
Well as neither of you reside in NI, that would include yourselves.
As I voted to remain and not change anything with regards to the NI Border why should I have considered it, other than thinking what we have works quite well.

It was those that wanted to change things that has the responsibility of stating what those changes will mean.
Thankfully the cavemen decide to find more comfortable accommodation.

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Sway said:
Mrr T said:
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.
How much of regulatory conformity checks do you think occur at or near a border?
Did I refer to the check being carried out at the border?

No I just said checks will be required for goods moving between 2 parts of the same country. Some thing BJ said would not happen.
You did indeed refer to location.

"likely to be close to any border".

Still going to pretend you haven't?

Need to improve your Google skills. At the moment you just make it too easy to point out your ignorance.
You do know "close" does not just mean physically close?

You need to improve your English it makes it to easy to point out your ingnorance.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Mrr T said:
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
Sway said:
Mrr T said:
bhstewie said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Apparently Labour have got hold of a Government report stating that there will be customs checks between NI & GB, and that the deal is economically bad for NI.
That's impossible.

Boris said there won't be checks.
Which means there will be checks.

The Irish Sea border always required checks. The extent of those checks depends on any future trade agreement with the EU. Since BJ indicates he wants to move away from the EU regulatory influence the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country.
How much of regulatory conformity checks do you think occur at or near a border?
Did I refer to the check being carried out at the border?

No I just said checks will be required for goods moving between 2 parts of the same country. Some thing BJ said would not happen.
You did indeed refer to location.

"likely to be close to any border".

Still going to pretend you haven't?

Need to improve your Google skills. At the moment you just make it too easy to point out your ignorance.
You do know "close" does not just mean physically close?

You need to improve your English it makes it to easy to point out your ingnorance.
So, as per the product we self certified today more than 11k miles from any recipient border - that occurred "close" in any sense to the border?

And you think my English is lacking?

rofl

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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crankedup said:
Thankfully the cavemen decide to find more comfortable accommodation.
Are you moving somewhere cranked?

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Sway said:
So, as per the product we self certified today more than 11k miles from any recipient border - that occurred "close" in any sense to the border?

And you think my English is lacking?

rofl
"the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country"

Close

adverb
very near to someone or something ; with very little space between.

So the border in the Irish Sea will be close or similar to any other EU/3rd country border.

rolleyes x2

gooner1

10,223 posts

178 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
crankedup said:
Thankfully the cavemen decide to find more comfortable accommodation.
Are you moving somewhere cranked?
We all are sibi, out of the EU.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Mrr T said:
Sway said:
So, as per the product we self certified today more than 11k miles from any recipient border - that occurred "close" in any sense to the border?

And you think my English is lacking?

rofl
"the checks are likely to be close to any border between the EU and a 3rd country"

Close

adverb
very near to someone or something ; with very little space between.

So the border in the Irish Sea will be close or similar to any other EU/3rd country border.

rolleyes x2
rofl

You'd have been better using a definition that actually meant what you did, like this one instead of one that specifically refers in the Google search as being related to space or time:



Even then, still wrong. There are a few obvious distinctions.

I'll let you try to find them though. It'll be fun.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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chrispmartha said:
As I voted to remain and not change anything with regards to the NI Border why should I have considered it, other than thinking what we have works quite well.

It was those that wanted to change things that has the responsibility of stating what those changes will mean.
Good Post.

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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gooner1 said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
crankedup said:
Thankfully the cavemen decide to find more comfortable accommodation.
Are you moving somewhere cranked?
We all are sibi, out of the EU.
Subtle messaging is lost on sibi. wink

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