39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?

[Gameface]

WCZ said:

Possibly some extremist who hated immigrants?

You're kidding right?

[WCZ]

Gameface said:

You're kidding right?

Driver was arrested on suspicion of murdering 40 people being smuggled over the border, I thought it’d be manslaughter otherwise

[Cantaloupe]

Gameface said:

You're kidding right?

What do you think ?

[Hereward]

vaud said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

I think most work is intelligence lead rather than inspecting every container. The size of the border force needed and the delays to inspect/X-ray every container would be huge.

I had naively assumed every truck/container entering the country passed through some sort of giant x-ray and/or thermal imaging unit.

RIP

[red_slr]

Tryke3 said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Bloody foreigners, coming here and dying in our trailers

And yes, some things are more difficult than others, like going to shop to buy bread isnt the same as checking 10,000 lorries a day

Last time I checked the UKBA are trained to monitor, check and detain etc.... its their job. Which they evidently cant do very well despite their budget of the best part of £3Bn.

[Earthdweller]

WCZ said:

Gameface said:

You're kidding right?

Driver was arrested on suspicion of murdering 40 people being smuggled over the border, I thought it’d be manslaughter otherwise

You are right ... he has been arrested “on suspicion” of committing an offence

It does not automatically follow that he will be charged with that offence, he may face an alternate charge or have no further action taken against him

Far too early to make any informed comment

[Tryke3]

red_slr said:

Tryke3 said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Bloody foreigners, coming here and dying in our trailers

And yes, some things are more difficult than others, like going to shop to buy bread isnt the same as checking 10,000 lorries a day

Last time I checked the UKBA are trained to monitor, check and detain etc.... its their job. Which they evidently cant do very well despite their budget of the best part of £3Bn.

Its like you brain cells have abandoned you, well done

[Gameface]

You mentioned an extremist. How does one person kill 39 people without any of them escaping? Unless he threw open the container doors and mowed them down with machine guns...

As for the actual arrest, that's already been explained.

It's far more likely to be a tragic accident. Suffocation or poisoning of some description.

[WelshChris]

Strange - Not entirely sure why a vehicle, presumably travelling from Bulgaria, would enter the U.K. (or mainland at least) via Holyhead.

Possibly this is an iso container (hence sealed a little or no air supply) that was collected by the driver from the U.K. port rather than accompanied from Europe. Full facts will emerge soon no doubt.

Utterly tragic though. Anybody who is forced to spend a length of time inside a container has no chance- no way you can open them from the inside.

[aeropilot]

essayer said:

Presumably drove from Bulgaria, over to Ireland, ferry to Holyhead, and drove to Essex? How long were the poor bds in there for?

3-4 days at least, if they had been in there all the way from Bulgaria!

Lorry must have driven from Bulgaria all the way across to Cherbourg and taken the Cherbourg-Dublin ferry to get to Eire first, so even if they got in lorry just before boarding the ferry at Cherbourg they would have been in there for nearly 2 days probably, as the Cherbourg-Dublin ferry crossing is 20 hours, plus the dockside wait to get the Dublin-Holyhead ferry to UK, and then drive to Essex....!!

[red_slr]

Tryke3 said:

red_slr said:

Tryke3 said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Bloody foreigners, coming here and dying in our trailers

And yes, some things are more difficult than others, like going to shop to buy bread isnt the same as checking 10,000 lorries a day

Last time I checked the UKBA are trained to monitor, check and detain etc.... its their job. Which they evidently cant do very well despite their budget of the best part of £3Bn.

Its like you brain cells have abandoned you, well done

Not that I can tell.... you seem to have a problem with me calling out the UK Border Agency. The people who are there to defend our borders. Anyway, lets see what information we get...

[smifffymoto]

There are a few Irish operators with depots in Eastern Europe and most freight is in refrigerated trailers.
I can’t believe the UKBF have not been keeping an eye on them.This set up is rife for people trafficking.

[anonymous-user]

red_slr said:

Tryke3 said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Bloody foreigners, coming here and dying in our trailers

And yes, some things are more difficult than others, like going to shop to buy bread isnt the same as checking 10,000 lorries a day

Last time I checked the UKBA are trained to monitor, check and detain etc.... its their job. Which they evidently cant do very well despite their budget of the best part of £3Bn.

A typical port in the UK (indeed worldwide) will inspect/check a maximum of 2~3% of incoming shipping containers. No idea what the stat is for lorries at ports of entry unfortunately, but it will be significantly smaller than you might imagine (or indeed, wish).

ETA - a quick call to an associate at one of the port operators suggests inspected proportion of lorries from outside EU is at a similar level, but from inside the EU, it's less than 1%.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 October 10:34

[CoolC]

From the helicopter shots on the news just now, it looks like a refrigerated container/trailer.

[Petrus1983]

Quick Wiki check on the last big incident like this was 60 Chinese immigrants - the driver in that case knew what he was doing and got 14 years for manslaughter. Can't blame the police for keeping the driver and working out what's gone on. If he didn't know anything I'd imagine he's very scared/sad/worried right now.

[eybic]

Earthdweller said:

WCZ said:

Gameface said:

You're kidding right?

Driver was arrested on suspicion of murdering 40 people being smuggled over the border, I thought it’d be manslaughter otherwise

You are right ... he has been arrested “on suspicion” of committing an offence

It does not automatically follow that he will be charged with that offence, he may face an alternate charge or have no further action taken against him

Far too early to make any informed comment

Is it not normally the case that the initial charge will be the "highest" as it would be difficult to later increase the severity of the charge? At least murder can be downgraded to manslaughter whereas it would be difficult to increase it to Murder I guess??

[Mrr T]

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Reading the story the lorry would not have passed through a UK border post.

[Mothersruin]

Don't the trailers have tamper-proof devices to show they haven't been opened? Is it a driver's duty to keep checking them after every stop?

[greygoose]

Mrr T said:

red_slr said:

Sounds like a load of foreigners attempting illegal entry. Crazy we spend all this money on UK Border Force and they cant detect almost 40 people in the back of a truck.

Reading the story the lorry would not have passed through a UK border post.

Don’t worry he will find someone else to blame rather than the people who put them in the trailer.

[Earthdweller]

eybic said:

Earthdweller said:

WCZ said:

Gameface said:

You're kidding right?

Driver was arrested on suspicion of murdering 40 people being smuggled over the border, I thought it’d be manslaughter otherwise

You are right ... he has been arrested “on suspicion” of committing an offence

It does not automatically follow that he will be charged with that offence, he may face an alternate charge or have no further action taken against him

Far too early to make any informed comment

Is it not normally the case that the initial charge will be the "highest" as it would be difficult to later increase the severity of the charge? At least murder can be downgraded to manslaughter whereas it would be difficult to increase it to Murder I guess??

Indeed, it can be done however, usually by further arrest if new evidence comes to light, but it’s much easier to arrest for the most serious offence in the first instance

As a frequent example, drivers involved in fatal collisions are usually arrested for causing death by dangerous driving.

They may subsequently be charged (if at all) with much lesser offences such as careless driving etc

Proving “malice aforethought” and an intention to kill is difficult but having a “suspicion” not so

There are also legal and procedural reasons why arresting for the most serious offence aid the investigation

Edited by Earthdweller on Wednesday 23 October 10:47